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    It's been a while since I started this thread and there have been some "exotic" additions to Yfull, such as an American "Cowen", a Palestinian (Hebron) and a Yemenite. This eastern branch has also formed:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    It's been a while since I started this thread and there have been some "exotic" additions to Yfull, such as an American "Cowen", a Palestinian (Hebron) and a Yemenite. This eastern branch has also formed:

    this does not mean anything these people of North African origin immigrated to the Middle East for many causes

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    The geneflow went both ways. Many people of Middle Eastern origin migrated to North Africa.




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    Quote Originally Posted by capsian View Post
    this does not mean anything these people of North African origin immigrated to the Middle East for many causes
    E-M81 is quite frequent in Palestine actually. From what i've observed I would say as much as 4%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squad View Post
    E-M81 is quite frequent in Palestine actually. From what i've observed I would say as much as 4%
    After a quick search in a couple FTDNA projects with lots of Palestinians, I only found one E-M81:
    886351 in https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=ycolorized , probably is the same guy as YF79025 here https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z5009*/

    Couldn't find any E-M81 Palestinians in here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults . There were a few others that are Lebanese.

    When totaled, that one individual out of all the Palestinians between the two projects makes up less than 1%. Is there a specific study or something that suggests it's as high as 4%?

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    What do you guys think about E-MZ131? The E-M81 project puts it at 1,100 years before present and it has two members from Córdoba as well as two from Iraq among others.

    It's interesting because that was the time of Abd al-Rahman III who "after initially recognizing the legitimacy of the Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, in 929 Emir Abd ar-Rahman III declared the caliphate of Córdoba, with himself as caliph"

    Other interesting anecdotes from wikipedia: Abd al-Rahman was accused of having sunk in his later years into the self-indulgent habits of the harem. He is known to have openly kept a male as well as a female harem.

    Do you think it could somehow be related to the Emirate of Córdoba?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    What do you guys think about E-MZ131? The E-M81 project puts it at 1,100 years before present and it has two members from Córdoba as well as two from Iraq among others.

    It's interesting because that was the time of Abd al-Rahman III who "after initially recognizing the legitimacy of the Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, in 929 Emir Abd ar-Rahman III declared the caliphate of Córdoba, with himself as caliph"

    Other interesting anecdotes from wikipedia: Abd al-Rahman was accused of having sunk in his later years into the self-indulgent habits of the harem. He is known to have openly kept a male as well as a female harem.
    YFULL puts it at 1850 ybp:



    Emir Abderrahman was from the Ummayad Dynasty so he was most likely a J1/2 carrier, but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    YFULL puts it at 1850 ybp:



    Emir Abderrahman was from the Ummayad Dynasty so he was most likely a J1/2 carrier, but who knows.
    He was probably the same lineage as his Hashemite cousins J-L859+

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    There is usually a substantial difference between Yfull and the project. I find the project dating more accurate. With all these SNPs it's highly unlikely that only 250 years passed between Z5009 and MZ131:

    Mz129, Mz130, Mz132, Mz133, Mz134, Z9690=BY46148

    In fact Yfull gives Z5009 a TMRCA of 1850 too, so its technically impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squad View Post
    E-M81 is quite frequent in Palestine actually. From what i've observed I would say as much as 4%
    in south morocco 98%

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