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    Scaled:
    Distance to: KM_scaled
    0.02142040 Orcadian:HGDP00797
    0.02166225 English_Cornwall:HG00160
    0.02178296 Irish:Irish64
    0.02180840 Orcadian:HGDP00800
    0.02208905 Scottish:Scottish24
    0.02231244 English_Cornwall:HG00243
    0.02246398 Scottish:Scottish9
    0.02260542 Irish:Irish50
    0.02338562 English:HG01790
    0.02364684 Welsh:WAL003
    0.02377586 Irish:Irish44
    0.02378158 Welsh:WalesL86
    0.02387937 Icelandic:NA15759
    0.02394802 Shetlandic:Shetlands3
    0.02394961 French_Brittany:French24090
    0.02434082 Scottish:Scottish22
    0.02437350 Welsh:WalesL40
    0.02446451 Norwegian:NOR101
    0.02451346 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_23
    0.02467513 Icelandic:NA15764
    0.02469879 Danishenmark2
    0.02470910 Welsh:WalesDR94
    0.02480973 Orcadian:HGDP00799
    0.02490829 Welsh:WAL001
    0.02496089 English_Cornwall:HG00255

    Target: KM_scaled
    Distance: 0.1735% / 0.00173520
    39.8 Irish

    12.6 Dutch

    8.8 Lithuanian_VZ

    7.8 Austrian

    7.2 German

    4.8 Scottish

    4.6 French_Brittany

    4.0 English_Cornwall

    3.8 French_Alsace

    3.0 English

    1.8 Swedish

    0.8 Belgian

    0.6 Karitiana

    0.4 Polish

    Unscaled:
    Distance to: KM
    0.01267793 Afrikaner:AFR081
    0.01317042 English:HG01790
    0.01324538 English_Cornwall:HG00160
    0.01348036 Scottish:Scottish9
    0.01351703 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_82
    0.01362534 Irish:Irish64
    0.01387660 Afrikaner:AFR018
    0.01391510 Danishenmark2
    0.01397355 English:English2
    0.01427445 English_Cornwall:HG00259
    0.01437011 Scottish:Scottish24
    0.01437846 Orcadian:HGDP00797
    0.01443122 Welsh:WalesBK21
    0.01450896 Icelandic:NA15759
    0.01482329 Welsh:WAL003
    0.01503995 Welsh:WalesL40
    0.01504826 Afrikaner:AFR014
    0.01512382 Swedish:Sweden13
    0.01517201 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_23
    0.01527809 Swedish:Sweden4
    0.01530131 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_6
    0.01544442 Icelandic:NA15757
    0.01551258 Dutch:Netherlands11
    0.01552095 Welsh:WalesL86
    0.01552289 English_Cornwall:HG00243

    Target: KM
    Distance: 0.0503% / 0.00050310
    35.8 Irish

    20.6 Dutch

    9.4 German

    6.2 Lithuanian_VZ

    4.0 English

    3.6 Belgian

    3.4 Austrian

    3.2 Polish

    3.2 Swedish

    2.6 Scottish

    1.8 French_Alsace

    1.8 Swiss_German

    1.4 English_Cornwall

    1.4 French_Auvergne

    0.8 Bolivian_Pando

    0.4 French_Nord

    0.2 Greenlander_East

    0.2 Karitiana

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    My result scaled and unscaled with Icelandic removed.

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.7436% / 0.01743571 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.8 Irish
    24.2 Swedish

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.7431% / 0.01743114
    75.4 Irish
    24.2 Swedish
    0.4 Lithuanian_PZ

    Target: Jessie_unscaled
    Distance: 1.1829% / 0.01182943 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.0 Irish
    22.0 Swedish
    1.2 North_Ossetian
    1.0 Ethiopian_Jew
    0.8 Yakut

    Target: Jessie_unscaled
    Distance: 1.1762% / 0.01176167
    74.2 Irish
    20.8 Swedish
    1.8 North_Ossetian
    1.6 Ethiopian_Jew
    1.2 Yakut
    0.2 Cossack_Kuban
    0.2 Surui

    I know the result isn't accurate but it is interesting to see how your raw data is broken down. I removed the Icelandic because of what Evon says they being more a sink than a contributor to populations.

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    United Kingdom Scotland England Ireland
    Minus Icelandic and Orcadian.

    Target: Tim_G_scaled
    Distance: 1.5335% / 0.01533520
    79.0 Scottish
    14.0 Irish
    3.0 Lithuanian_PZ
    2.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.0 Basque_French
    0.6 Igorot
    0.2 Ju_hoan_North
    0.2 Karitiana

    Target: Tim_G_father_scaled
    Distance: 2.1278% / 0.02127775
    55.6 English_Cornwall
    17.8 Irish
    10.0 Swedish
    6.8 English
    4.0 Lithuanian_PZ
    4.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.8 Yemenite_Mahra

    Target: Tim_Mother_test_Scaled
    Distance: 2.1964% / 0.02196384
    82.6 Irish
    7.2 Finnish
    5.4 Norwegian
    1.6 Karitiana
    1.2 Basque_Spanish
    0.6 Ju_hoan_North
    0.6 Mbuti
    0.6 Scottish
    0.2 Igorot


    Unscaled

    Target: Tim_G
    Distance: 1.0516% / 0.01051596
    72.6 Scottish
    21.2 Irish
    2.2 Igorot
    1.8 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.4 Yemenite_Mahra
    0.4 Ju_hoan_North
    0.4 Lithuanian_PZ

    Target: Tim_G_father
    Distance: 1.3702% / 0.01370169
    50.0 English_Cornwall
    30.4 Scottish
    9.2 Irish
    3.8 Lithuanian_PZ
    2.0 Yemenite_Jew
    1.8 Yemenite_Mahra
    1.4 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.6 Igorot
    0.4 Lebbo
    0.2 Ju_hoan_North
    0.2 Sakha

    Target: Tim_Mother_test
    Distance: 1.3654% / 0.01365385
    90.0 Irish
    3.2 Igorot
    2.6 Ket
    1.4 Nahua
    1.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.8 Shor_Khakassia
    0.6 Ju_hoan_North
    0.2 Mbuti
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    As is usually the case unscaled is worse for me:

    Distance to: JMcB
    0.01072279 French_Brittany
    0.01108064 Welsh
    0.01127653 Belgian
    0.01151250 Afrikaner
    0.01159434 French_Nord
    0.01236753 English
    0.01288953 English_Cornwall
    0.01341483 Swiss_German
    0.01360970 Orcadian
    0.01379844 French_Alsace
    0.01381732 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.01400081 Dutch
    0.01411512 Scottish
    0.01441366 German
    0.01457084 French_Paris
    0.01600967 French_Occitanie
    0.01602844 Irish
    0.01632951 Swedish
    0.01692491 Icelandic
    0.01714600 Norwegian
    0.01722280 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.01762476 French_Auvergne
    0.01824945 Swiss_French
    0.01831111 Shetlandic
    0.01862904 Danish


    JMcB
    Fit: 0.83

    Welsh: 50.2
    Swiss_German: 8.6
    French_Brittany: 5.2
    French_Pas-de-Calais: 4.8
    Swiss_French: 4.4
    English: 4
    Swedish: 4
    French_Occitanie: 2.4
    French_Nord": 1.4
    Spanish_Barcelones: 1.4
    English_Cornwall: 1.2
    French_South: 1.2
    French_Auvergne: 1
    Spanish_Lleida: 1


    For a comparison see my signature and:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post657601
    Last edited by JMcB; 04-08-2020 at 03:06 AM.
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snkves View Post
    Modern pop averages unscaled

    Distance to: Snkves_unscaled
    0.01409225 Swedish
    0.01544715 Dutch
    0.01560812 German
    0.01582845 Norwegian
    0.01640071 Afrikaner
    0.01747609 Icelandic
    0.01793268 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.01807411 Welsh
    0.01911006 English
    0.01926762 Scottish
    0.01940034 French_Brittany
    0.01982453 Orcadian
    0.02013048 Belgian
    0.02050010 English_Cornwall
    0.02066362 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.02070329 French_Nord
    0.02084217 Danish
    0.02112977 Shetlandic
    0.02120489 French_Alsace
    0.02144835 Irish
    0.02173631 French_Paris
    0.02252809 Austrian
    0.02289995 Swiss_German
    0.02524446 German_East
    0.02571150 Czech
    Sknkves, I think that the SHG component is (also) due to the fact that you are on distance from the Danes..... But somehow this can't be the whole story. Hmmmmmm

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    UNSCALED

    Target: Trelvern

    Distance: 1.2166% / 0.01216572 | ADC: 1x

    62.8 French_Brittany
    37.2 Welsh

    Target: Trelvern
    Distance: 0.9783% / 0.00978304 | ADC: 0.5x

    66.2 Welsh
    15.8 Spanish_Navarra
    15.4 English_Cornwall
    2.2 Ket
    0.4 French_Brittany

    Target: Trelvern
    Distance: 0.8432% / 0.00843230 | ADC: 0.25x

    43.4 English_Cornwall
    23.0 Spanish_Navarra
    17.0 Welsh
    7.0 Norwegian
    4.8 Ket
    4.4 Shetlandic
    0.4 Nahua

    Target: Trelvern
    Distance: 0.8136% / 0.00813636

    42.0 English_Cornwall
    26.4 Spanish_Navarra
    12.8 Norwegian
    5.6 Irish
    5.6 Ket
    5.4 Shetlandic
    0.8 Nahua
    0.6 Kubachinian
    0.6 Sherpa
    0.2 Mlabri


    WITH R


    "distance%=1.0841" (default)

    Trelvern

    Welsh,39.4
    English_Cornwall,26.8
    Norwegian,6.2
    Shetlandic,4.6
    French_Brittany,3
    Spanish_Navarra,2
    Basque_Spanish,1.4
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,1.4
    French_Auvergne,1.2
    Spanish_Aragon,1
    Basque_French,0.8
    French_Occitanie,0.8
    Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.8
    French_Provence,0.6
    Scottish,0.6
    Spanish_Cantabria,0.6
    Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.6
    Spanish_Lleida,0.6
    Spanish_Penedes,0.6
    Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.6
    Swiss_French,0.6
    Italian_Lombardy,0.4
    Spanish_Galicia,0.4
    Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.4
    Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0.4
    Spanish_Valencia,0.4
    Yukpa,0.4
    Eskimo_Naukan,0.2
    Kaitag,0.2
    Mansi,0.2
    Mbuti,0.2



    "distance%=0.8137" pen=0

    Trelvern

    English_Cornwall,42.2
    Spanish_Navarra,26.4
    Norwegian,12.8
    Ket,5.6
    Irish,5.4
    Shetlandic,5.4
    Nahua,0.6
    Sherpa,0.6
    Darginian,0.4
    Colla,0.2
    Kubachinian,0.2
    Mlabri,0.2



    ADC 0.25x is not default in R but pen=0 ( and not quite)
    Last edited by Trelvern; 04-08-2020 at 09:10 AM.

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    Cornwall New Zealand
    Target: Timberwolf_scaled
    Distance: 1.5799% / 0.01579945
    31.6 Irish
    26.2 English_Cornwall
    17.0 Basque_French
    15.2 Shetlandic
    9.8 Icelandic
    0.2 Igorot

    Target: Timberwolf_scaled
    Distance: 1.6099% / 0.01609860 | ADC: 0.25x
    51.6 English_Cornwall
    35.0 Irish
    10.4 Basque_French
    1.8 Shetlandic
    1.2 French_Seine-Maritime

    istance to: Timberwolf_scaled
    0.01754173 English_Cornwall
    0.01866575 Welsh
    0.01882979 English
    0.02051167 Scottish
    0.02059109 French_Brittany
    0.02128059 Irish
    0.02145844 Orcadian
    0.02471025 Dutch
    0.02627935 Shetlandic
    0.02877941 Danish
    0.02904541 Icelandic
    0.02990240 Belgian
    0.03114346 German
    0.03165111 Norwegian
    0.03315862 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03317770 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03342803 Afrikaner
    0.03446573 French_Nord
    0.03475755 French_Paris
    0.03557710 Swedish
    0.03707412 French_Alsace
    0.03825192 Swiss_German
    0.04435493 French_Occitanie
    0.04496338 Austrian
    0.04545323 German_East

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    Father modern pop avg scaled with Icelandic and Orcadian removed. Using R.

    Tim_G_father_scaled



    English_Cornwall,45.4
    English,40.8
    Danish,6.2
    Swedish,2.2
    French_Seine-Maritime,1.4
    Welsh,1.2
    Scottish,1
    Irish,0.6
    Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.6
    Basque_French,0.4
    Lithuanian_VZ,0.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I know the result isn't accurate but it is interesting to see how your raw data is broken down. I removed the Icelandic because of what Evon says they being more a sink than a contributor to populations.
    If I had time I would try to make a population list where I removed all these micro populations, which should make it more correct for the average user (with respect to gene flow and gene contribution). You won't believe how many times I have had to "defend" myself from accusations that I am actually Icelandic, and or Irish because of my assignment using the full list. Some people are slaves to the output, even when it is clear that it doesn't work perfectly.

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