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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Is it true Khatri are offsprings of Brahmin man and Khas women
    Yes, Khatris are progenies of Brahmin father and Chhetri mother, but these were medieval era events. Those Khatri progenies are no different from other "Jharra" (meaning pure-descended) Chhetris in terms of admixture now. Khatris are as well high caste people who got the status similar to Jaishi Brahmans (ritually impure Brahmins) and the ruling/noble castes.

    A noble Khatri family.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pande_family

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaazi View Post
    Yes, Khatris are progenies of Brahmin father and Chhetri mother, but these were medieval era events. Those Khatri progenies are no different from other "Jharra" (meaning pure-descended) Chhetris in terms of admixture now. Khatris are as well high caste people who got the status similar to Jaishi Brahmans (ritually impure Brahmins) and the ruling/noble castes.

    A noble Khatri family.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pande_family
    Is this true for Khatris outside of Nepal too ? Like Punjabi Aroras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    Is this true for Khatris outside of Nepal too ? Like Punjabi Aroras.
    Nope these are not related people. Though there are a couple of Khatri clans that seemed to have gone to Nepal (like Narula), but they are mixed into the regular Nepali Khatri profiles. We don't see Punjabi Khatri/ Arora like profiles from Nepal.

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    # Population Percent
    1 South_Asian 47.05
    2 Gedrosia 32.51
    3 North_European 6.4
    4 Caucasus 5.52
    5 East_Asian 3.54
    6 Northwest_African 1.54
    7 Siberian 1.4
    8 East_African 1.25
    9 Southwest_Asian 0.64
    10 Sub_Saharan 0.13

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    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 7.31
    2 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 7.63
    3 Indian (Dodecad) 7.88
    4 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 8.95
    5 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 9.13
    6 Iyer (Dodecad) 9.5
    7 Iyengar (Dodecad) 9.5
    8 Tharus (Metspalu) 9.9
    9 Muslim (Metspalu) 10.92
    10 INS30 (SGVP) 11.14
    11 Dharkars (Metspalu) 11.27
    12 GIH30 (Dodecad) 11.33
    13 Kanjars (Metspalu) 11.79
    14 Velamas (Metspalu) 14.56
    15 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 16.17
    16 Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 16.26
    17 Dusadh (Metspalu) 17.34
    18 Kurumba (Metspalu) 18.13
    19 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 20.07
    20 Kol (Metspalu) 20.36

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 81.3% Muslim (Metspalu) + 18.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.37
    2 80.1% Kanjars (Metspalu) + 19.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.58
    3 55.5% Chenchus (Metspalu) + 44.5% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.63
    4 55.7% Burusho (HGDP) + 44.3% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 2.71
    5 67.4% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) + 32.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.71
    6 84.5% INS30 (SGVP) + 15.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.76
    7 72.4% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) + 27.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.77
    8 71% Dusadh (Metspalu) + 29% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.87
    9 53.8% Burusho (HGDP) + 46.2% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 2.92
    10 70% Kurumba (Metspalu) + 30% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.96
    11 80% Muslim (Metspalu) + 20% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.09
    12 50.5% Burusho (HGDP) + 49.5% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 3.21
    13 81.7% Tharus (Metspalu) + 18.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.23
    14 81.1% Dharkars (Metspalu) + 18.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.39
    15 50.6% Burusho (HGDP) + 49.4% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 3.43
    16 67.6% Kol (Metspalu) + 32.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.54
    17 83.9% Kanjars (Metspalu) + 16.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.61
    18 85.1% Muslim (Metspalu) + 14.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.64
    19 72.6% Tharus (Metspalu) + 27.4% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.65
    20 84.6% Dharkars (Metspalu) + 15.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.67
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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Nope these are not related people. Though there are a couple of Khatri clans that seemed to have gone to Nepal (like Narula), but they are mixed into the regular Nepali Khatri profiles. We don't see Punjabi Khatri/ Arora like profiles from Nepal.

    I dont know Narula but I've some Niraula Khatri (Chhetri) relatives but they originate from a distant Brahman patriarch from "Nirauli" village in West Nepal.

    But there are some surname overlaps between Khas Chhetris-Uttarakhand Khas Rajputs and Punjabi Khatris such as Tandon, Mahara/Mehra (Mehra in Uttarakhand), Bohra, Chauhan, etc. but surnames like Tandon and Chauhan are neither generic Khas surname nor prestigious title for Nepalis and appear to be migrants from the NW region into Nepal imo.


    Also, diluted Punjabi Khatri like profile exists in Nepal. Bahun:Ba37 sample is most likely a Nepali Chhetri and has half Khatri like/ NW or West Himalayan like ancestry mixed with 20% IVC and 30% East Asian.

    Target: Bahun:Ba37
    Distance: 2.5356% / 0.02535558 | R2P
    50.4 Khatri
    49.6 Tharu

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    Results: S-Indian 32.13
    Baloch 26.25
    NE-Asian 22.53
    Caucasian 7.95
    NE-Euro 5.15
    Siberian 2.82
    Mediterranean 1.31
    Beringian 1.22
    SE-Asian 0.42
    Papuan 0.22

    Target: Bahun:Ba37_Chhetri_like
    Distance: 1.1942% / 1.19416789 | R3P
    52.1 Gawar
    26.7 Nysha
    21.2 North_Kannadi

    Target: Bahun:Ba37_Chhetri_like
    Distance: 1.4126% / 1.41260246 | R3P
    52.8 Kashmiri_Butt
    25.4 Tibetan
    21.8 Lambadi


    Only deep y line testing among these clans will tell the fact. Nepali Khas profiles are diverse, so its most likely that some high IranN/BMAC clans from NW region entered and mixed into regular Brahminical type Chhetri community. What is the origin of Tandon and Chauhan clan?
    Last edited by kaazi; 06-26-2021 at 06:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaazi View Post
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    Only deep y line testing among these clans will tell the fact. Nepali Khas profiles are diverse, so its most likely that some high IranN/BMAC clans from NW region entered and mixed into regular Brahminical type Chhetri community. What is the origin of Tandon and Chauhan clan?
    I didn't know about Narula being native.

    There are 4 big clans of the Khatris (worked with the Mughals and other kings as administrators or rulers/ were chieftains). They are called Char Ghar ( Dhai ghar + 1 clan). Kapoor, Khanna and Malhotra + Seth.

    After them, come the Bhar Ghar (outside house). Tandon is one of the 7-8 in that category. Then come the rest 300ish clans. Aroras were from a different area (my Paternal clan/ my maternal clan is a mix of char ghar and the 300 clans). Note this hasn't been important for over a 100 years now. And Khatris fought against the Mughals at one time losing most of their power and shifting into trade and administration.

    There are of course Punjabi Hindus (mainly Khatris) who fought for the Mughals with distinction. Like Todar Mal, who led the sapping at the siege of Chittorgarh against the Sisodiya Rajputs, and also settled the revenue system for Akbar. Maathir ul Umara says Todar Mal was born in Lahore, though British scholars thought this was Laharpur in Awadh.
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/444417/...n-army-martial

    Note: The Khatris supported the Mughals before for a long time before fighting.

    Chauhans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauhan



    The word Chauhan is the vernacular form of the Sanskrit term Chahamana. Several Chauhan inscriptions name a legendary hero called Chahamana as their ancestor, but none of them state the period in which he lived.[1]

    The earliest extant inscription that describes the origin of the Chauhans is the 1119 CE Sevadi inscription of Ratnapala, a ruler of the Naddula Chahamana dynasty. According to this inscription, the ancestor of the Chahamanas was born from the eye of Indra.[2]

    The 1170 CE Bijolia rock inscription of the Shakambhari Chahamana king Someshvara states that his ancestor Samantaraja was born at Ahichchhatrapura (possibly modern Nagaur[3]) in the gotra of sage Vatsa. The 1262 CE Sundha hill inscription of the Jalor Chahamana king Chachiga-deva states that the dynasty's ancestor Chahamana was "a source of joy" to the Vatsa. The 1320 Mount Abu (Achaleshwar temple) inscription of the Deora Chauhan ruler Lumbha states that Vatsa created the Chahamanas as a new lineage of warriors, after the solar dynasty and the lunar dynasty had ceased to exist.[4]

    The Ajmer inscription of the Shakambhari Chahamana ruler Vigraharaja IV (c. 1150–64 CE) claims that Chahamana belonged to the solar dynasty, descending from Ikshavaku and Rama. The 12th-century Prithviraja Vijaya mahakavya, composed by Prithviraja III's court poet Jayanaka, also claims a solar dynasty origin for the ruling dynasty. According to this text, Chahamana came to earth from Arkamandal (the orbit of the sun).[5]

    The 15th-century Hammira Mahakavya of Nayachandra Suri, which describes the life of the Ranthambore branch ruler Hammira, gives the following account: Once Brahma was wandering in search of an auspicious place to conduct a ritual sacrifice. He ultimately chose the place where a lotus from his hand fell; this place came to be known as Pushkara. Brahma wanted to protect his sacrificial ceremony against interference from danavas (miscreant beings). Therefore, he remembered the Sun, and a hero came into being from the sun's orb. This hero was Chohan, the ancestor of the Hammira's dynasty.[6] The earliest extant recension of Prithviraj Raso of Chand Bardai, dated to 15th or 16th century, states that the first Chauhan king – Manikya Rai – was born from Brahma's sacrifice.[6] The 16th-century Surjana-Charita, composed by the Bengali poet Chandra Shekhara under patronage of the Ranthambore ruler Rao Surjana, contains a similar account. It states that Brahma created the first Chahamana from the Sun's disc during a sacrificial ceremony at Pushkara.[7]

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    I didn't know about Narula being native.

    There are 4 big clans of the Khatris (worked with the Mughals and other kings as administrators or rulers/ were chieftains). They are called Char Ghar ( Dhai ghar + 1 clan). Kapoor, Khanna and Malhotra + Seth.

    After them, come the Bhar Ghar (outside house). Tandon is one of the 7-8 in that category. Then come the rest 300ish clans. Aroras were from a different area (my Paternal clan/ my maternal clan is a mix of char ghar and the 300 clans). Note this hasn't been important for over a 100 years now. And Khatris fought against the Mughals at one time losing most of their power and shifting into trade and administration.


    https://tribune.com.pk/story/444417/...n-army-martial

    Note: The Khatris supported the Mughals before for a long time before fighting.

    Chauhans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauhan
    Ya, Niraula are native intermediate Khas people between India's Kumaunis and Nepal's Karnali belt Khas folks. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niraula)

    Niraula (Nepali Brahman) kit
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 35.32
    2 S-Indian 33.74
    3 NE-Euro 12.95
    4 Caucasian 5.15
    5 NE-Asian 2.6
    6 Siberian 2.34
    7 American 1.92
    8 Papuan 1.87
    9 Beringian 1.26
    10 Mediterranean 1.07


    So, Khatris are an old Hindu Kshatriya community (chieftains, admins) from Punjab who took to trade after losing to Mughals. The name also directly means "Kshatriya"; "Kshatriya"> "Khatriya" > "Khatri".

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    Siberian 1.34 Pct
    Northwest_African 1.09 Pct
    Southeast_Asian 1.83 Pct
    Atlantic_Med 1.49 Pct
    North_European 9.3 Pct
    South_Asian 30.91 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 2.4 Pct
    East_Asian 0.5 Pct
    Caucasus 10.42 Pct
    Sub_Saharan -

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Jatt_Dodecad @ 9.486237
    2 Pathan_HGDP @ 9.551175
    3 Burusho_HGDP @ 11.308482
    4 Sindhi_HGDP @ 12.404427
    5 Meena_Metspalu @ 16.259548
    6 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 16.689898
    7 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 19.002565
    8 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 19.367065
    9 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 19.987659
    10 Indian_Dodecad @ 20.650675
    11 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 21.278370
    12 Iyer_Dodecad @ 22.566637
    13 Iyengar_Dodecad @ 23.667250
    14 Lambadi_Metspalu @ 26.227875
    15 GIH30_Dodecad @ 26.339680
    16 Bengali_Metspalu @ 26.591206
    17 Meghawal_Metspalu @ 27.559406
    18 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu @ 27.642334
    19 INS30_SGVP @ 27.819872
    20 Kurmi_Metspalu @ 27.942261

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cochin_Jews_Behar +50% Pathan_HGDP @ 5.154377


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Pathan_HGDP +25% Pathan_HGDP +25% Tharus_Metspalu @ 2.824554

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