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    Greek auDNA results.

    Α Couple, husband and wife, friends of mine.

    Husband with known ancestry from Greek Macedonia (Thessaloniki) and Greek Thessaly (1 parent each). Results are calculated with AdmixtureStudio V2.48 PRO.

    Eurogenes K13:
     

    Components %
    North_Atlantic 18.82
    Baltic 19.64
    West_Med 20.60
    West_Asian 10.94
    East_Med 26.52
    Red_Sea 2.28
    South_Asian 0.00
    East_Asian 0.00
    Siberian 0.81
    Amerindian 0.39
    Oceanian 0.00
    Northeast_African 0.00
    Sub-Saharan 0.00

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    Finished reading population data. 202 populations found.
    13 components mode.

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    Mixed Mode:
    1 72.27% Bulgarian + 27.73% Algerian_Jew @ 3.151
    2 62.11% Bulgarian + 37.89% Ashkenazi @ 3.266
    3 72.27% Bulgarian + 27.73% Italian_Jew @ 3.372
    4 94.14% Greek_Thessaly + 5.86% Southwest_Russian @ 3.578
    5 77.73% Greek_Thessaly + 22.27% Bulgarian @ 3.583
    6 94.92% Greek_Thessaly + 5.08% Erzya @ 3.598
    7 94.92% Greek_Thessaly + 5.08% Belorussian @ 3.612
    8 94.92% Greek_Thessaly + 5.08% Estonian_Polish @ 3.615
    9 95.70% Greek_Thessaly + 4.30% Lithuanian @ 3.622
    10 94.14% Greek_Thessaly + 5.86% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.639

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.249
    2 100% Bulgarian @ 8.834
    3 100% Central_Greek @ 11.265
    4 100% Romanian @ 11.796
    5 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.552
    6 100% East_Sicilian @ 12.558
    7 100% West_Sicilian @ 13.066
    8 100% Tuscan @ 13.635
    9 100% Ashkenazi @ 13.777
    10 100% South_Italian @ 15.872

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Bulgarian + 50% Ashkenazi @ 4.167
    2 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.249
    3 50% Romanian + 50% Ashkenazi @ 4.377
    4 50% Bulgarian + 50% Central_Greek @ 4.471
    5 50% Italian_Jew + 50% Moldavian @ 4.578
    6 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Bulgarian @ 4.606
    7 50% Bulgarian + 50% East_Sicilian @ 4.629
    8 50% Algerian_Jew + 50% Moldavian @ 4.717
    9 50% Central_Greek + 50% Romanian @ 5.115
    10 50% Romanian + 50% East_Sicilian @ 5.184

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Ashkenazi @ 3.419
    2 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Algerian_Jew @ 3.501
    3 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Italian_Jew @ 3.754
    4 33% Bulgarian + 33% Romanian + 33% Algerian_Jew @ 3.765
    5 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Bulgarian @ 3.768
    6 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Ashkenazi @ 3.836
    7 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% South_Italian @ 4.111
    8 33% Ashkenazi + 33% South_Italian + 33% Croatian @ 4.111
    9 33% Bulgarian + 33% Romanian + 33% Italian_Jew @ 4.144
    10 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Central_Greek @ 4.216

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Algerian_Jew @ 3.279
    2 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Italian_Jew @ 3.466
    3 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Bulgarian @ 3.596
    4 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Central_Greek + 25% Ashkenazi @ 3.775
    5 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Ashkenazi @ 3.804
    6 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Romanian + 25% Algerian_Jew @ 3.853
    7 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Romanian + 25% Italian_Jew @ 4.093
    8 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Tunisian_Jew @ 4.110
    9 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Central_Greek @ 4.154
    10 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Bulgarian + 25% Sephardic_Jew @ 4.158


    MDLP K16:
     

    Components %
    Amerindian 0.00
    Ancestor 0.00
    ANE 13.85
    ANI 0.00
    Arctic 0.00
    Australian 0.00
    Caucasian 39.28
    EastAfrican 0.00
    Mesolithic 17.02
    NearEast 3.81
    Neolithic 26.04
    NorthAfrican 0.00
    Oceanic 0.00
    Siberian 0.00
    SouthEastAsian 0.00
    Subsaharian 0.00

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    Mixed Mode:
    1 54.30% Bulgarian_93 + 45.70% Greek_184 @ 3.142
    2 50.39% Greek_184 + 49.61% Bulgarian_93 @ 3.226
    3 62.11% Greek_184 + 37.89% Serbian_427 @ 3.327
    4 58.20% Greek_184 + 41.80% Serbian_428 @ 3.329
    5 68.36% Greek_184 + 31.64% Hungarian_205 @ 3.348
    6 69.92% Greek_184 + 30.08% Hungarian_204 @ 3.423
    7 73.83% Greek_184 + 26.17% Sorb_439 @ 3.438
    8 53.52% Bulgarian_94 + 46.48% Greek_184 @ 3.480
    9 66.02% Greek_184 + 33.98% Croat_112 @ 3.498
    10 76.17% Greek_184 + 23.83% Belarusian_3_74 @ 3.501

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Greek_183 @ 4.913
    2 100% Albanian_9 @ 5.215
    3 100% Greek_179 @ 5.769
    4 100% Greek_180 @ 5.908
    5 100% Greek_181 @ 6.236
    6 100% Kosovar_289 @ 6.607
    7 100% Gagauz_161 @ 7.357
    8 100% Greek_185 @ 7.939
    9 100% Bulgarian_93 @ 8.100
    10 100% Bulgarian_94 @ 8.250

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Bulgarian_93 + 50% Greek_184 @ 3.212
    2 50% Greek_185 + 50% Bulgarian_93 @ 3.514
    3 50% Macedonian_324 + 50% Greek_184 @ 3.527
    4 50% Bulgarian_94 + 50% Greek_184 @ 3.530
    5 50% Greek_184 + 50% Serbian_428 @ 3.700
    6 50% Greek_184 + 50% Montenegrian_349 @ 3.838
    7 50% Greek_185 + 50% Bulgarian_94 @ 3.943
    8 50% Greek_185 + 50% Macedonian_324 @ 4.244
    9 50% Greek_180 + 50% Bulgarian_93 @ 4.357
    10 50% Greek_184 + 50% Serbian_427 @ 4.369

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Hungarian_205 @ 3.381
    2 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Serbian_427 @ 3.480
    3 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Croat_112 @ 3.504
    4 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Hungarian_204 @ 3.551
    5 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Bosnian_86 @ 3.628
    6 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Croat_111 @ 3.660
    7 33% Bulgarian_93 + 33% Bulgarian_93 + 33% Greek_184 @ 3.748
    8 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Serbian_428 @ 3.799
    9 33% Greek_185 + 33% Greek_185 + 33% Serbian_427 @ 3.807
    10 33% Bulgarian_93 + 33% Bulgarian_94 + 33% Greek_184 @ 3.813

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Sorb_439 @ 3.469
    2 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Belarusian_3_74 @ 3.510
    3 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Bulgarian_93 + 25% Bulgarian_93 @ 3.514
    4 25% Macedonian_324 + 25% Macedonian_324 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 @ 3.527
    5 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Pole_384 @ 3.544
    6 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Pole_383 @ 3.579
    7 25% Serbian_427 + 25% Serbian_427 + 25% Italian_224 + 25% Turk_482 @ 3.583
    8 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Slovak_436 @ 3.642
    9 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Bulgarian_93 + 25% Bulgarian_94 @ 3.679
    10 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Hungarian_205 @ 3.684


    Wife is Asia Minor Greek (Smyrni) but with roots from Pontus.

    Eurogenes K13:
     

    Components %
    North_Atlantic 11.94
    Baltic 10.05
    West_Med 18.78
    West_Asian 24.41
    East_Med 30.05
    Red_Sea 3.95
    South_Asian 0.00
    East_Asian 0.27
    Siberian 0.00
    Amerindian 0.00
    Oceanian 0.55
    Northeast_African 0.00
    Sub-Saharan 0.00

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    Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
    v1.5 07/02/2020

    Finished reading population data. 202 populations found.
    13 components mode.

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    Mixed Mode:
    1 55.86% Greek_Thessaly + 44.14% Armenian @ 2.972
    2 76.95% Central_Greek + 23.05% Abkhasian @ 3.017
    3 75.39% Central_Greek + 24.61% Georgian @ 3.393
    4 74.61% East_Sicilian + 25.39% Abkhasian @ 3.606
    5 67.58% Central_Greek + 32.42% Armenian @ 3.712
    6 50.39% Armenian + 49.61% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.843
    7 73.05% East_Sicilian + 26.95% Georgian @ 3.897
    8 67.58% Ashkenazi + 32.42% Georgian @ 4.074
    9 67.58% Central_Greek + 32.42% Georgian_Jew @ 4.251
    10 69.92% Ashkenazi + 30.08% Abkhasian @ 4.267

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Central_Greek @ 10.679
    2 100% East_Sicilian @ 12.150
    3 100% South_Italian @ 12.245
    4 100% Turkish @ 13.452
    5 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.328
    6 100% Ashkenazi @ 15.493
    7 100% Cypriot @ 15.787
    8 100% Greek_Thessaly @ 16.606
    9 100% Sephardic_Jew @ 16.919
    10 100% West_Sicilian @ 17.192

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Armenian @ 3.752
    2 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Georgian_Jew @ 4.856
    3 50% Central_Greek + 50% Turkish @ 5.022
    4 50% Armenian + 50% Bulgarian @ 5.295
    5 50% Georgian_Jew + 50% Tuscan @ 5.458
    6 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Assyrian @ 5.680
    7 50% Assyrian + 50% Bulgarian @ 5.898
    8 50% East_Sicilian + 50% Turkish @ 5.928
    9 50% Armenian + 50% Tuscan @ 5.937
    10 50% Turkish + 50% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.152

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Central_Greek + 33% Central_Greek + 33% Armenian @ 3.721
    2 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Georgian @ 4.104
    3 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Abkhasian @ 4.106
    4 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Georgian @ 4.177
    5 33% Central_Greek + 33% Central_Greek + 33% Georgian_Jew @ 4.263
    6 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Sephardic_Jew + 33% Georgian @ 4.343
    7 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Abkhasian @ 4.487
    8 33% Central_Greek + 33% East_Sicilian + 33% Armenian @ 4.505
    9 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Sephardic_Jew + 33% Abkhasian @ 4.528
    10 33% Cypriot + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Kumyk @ 4.537

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% East_Sicilian + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.129
    2 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.134
    3 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% South_Italian + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.291
    4 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% Georgian @ 3.402
    5 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% East_Sicilian + 25% Georgian @ 3.446
    6 25% Central_Greek + 25% Central_Greek + 25% South_Italian + 25% Georgian @ 3.457
    7 25% East_Sicilian + 25% East_Sicilian + 25% East_Sicilian + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.611
    8 25% Armenian + 25% Armenian + 25% Tuscan + 25% Bulgarian @ 3.616
    9 25% East_Sicilian + 25% East_Sicilian + 25% South_Italian + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.764
    10 25% Cypriot + 25% Cypriot + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Chechen @ 3.923


    MDLP K16:
     

    Components %
    Amerindian 0.00
    Ancestor 0.00
    ANE 13.24
    ANI 0.44
    Arctic 0.02
    Australian 0.25
    Caucasian 49.62
    EastAfrican 0.00
    Mesolithic 8.56
    NearEast 5.03
    Neolithic 21.98
    NorthAfrican 0.40
    Oceanic 0.00
    Siberian 0.39
    SouthEastAsian 0.00
    Subsaharian 0.08

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    Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
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    Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Mixed Mode:
    1 80.86% Greek_184 + 19.14% Georgian_169 @ 2.540
    2 56.64% Greek_179 + 43.36% Turk_482 @ 2.598
    3 51.95% Kosovar_289 + 48.05% Turk_482 @ 2.672
    4 76.95% Greek_184 + 23.05% Turk_482 @ 2.719
    5 50.39% Turk_482 + 49.61% Kosovar_289 @ 2.863
    6 56.64% Greek_183 + 43.36% Turk_482 @ 2.890
    7 69.92% Greek_185 + 30.08% Turk_482 @ 2.904
    8 56.64% Albanian_9 + 43.36% Turk_482 @ 2.933
    9 64.45% Greek_180 + 35.55% Turk_482 @ 2.968
    10 76.95% Greek_184 + 23.05% Georgian_167 @ 2.971

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Greek_184 @ 6.633
    2 100% Greek_182 @ 8.271
    3 100% Greek_185 @ 9.277
    4 100% Turk_480 @ 9.710
    5 100% Turk_476 @ 11.267
    6 100% Greek_180 @ 11.586
    7 100% Cypriot_113 @ 11.679
    8 100% Turk_481 @ 12.632
    9 100% Jew_1_257 @ 12.663
    10 100% Armenian_13_20 @ 12.909

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Kosovar_289 + 50% Turk_482 @ 2.811
    2 50% Turk_482 + 50% Italian_226 @ 3.387
    3 50% Greek_179 + 50% Turk_482 @ 3.620
    4 50% Turk_482 + 50% Macedonian_324 @ 3.670
    5 50% Turk_482 + 50% Italian_229 @ 3.677
    6 50% Gagauz_161 + 50% Turk_482 @ 3.803
    7 50% Turk_482 + 50% Bulgarian_94 @ 3.812
    8 50% Albanian_9 + 50% Turk_482 @ 3.826
    9 50% Greek_183 + 50% Turk_482 @ 3.842
    10 50% Greek_181 + 50% Turk_482 @ 4.186

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Greek_180 + 33% Greek_180 + 33% Turk_482 @ 3.027
    2 33% Greek_185 + 33% Greek_185 + 33% Turk_482 @ 3.068
    3 33% Greek_185 + 33% Greek_185 + 33% Georgian_167 @ 3.612
    4 33% Greek_185 + 33% Greek_185 + 33% Armenian_1_16 @ 3.775
    5 33% Greek_185 + 33% Greek_185 + 33% Armenian_10_17 @ 3.777
    6 33% Turk_482 + 33% Turk_482 + 33% Spanish_440 @ 3.888
    7 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Turk_482 @ 3.930
    8 33% Turk_482 + 33% Turk_482 + 33% French_155 @ 3.946
    9 33% Greek_184 + 33% Greek_184 + 33% Georgian_167 @ 4.008
    10 33% Turk_482 + 33% Turk_482 + 33% Spanish_448 @ 4.187

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Turk_482 @ 2.786
    2 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Georgian_167 @ 3.019
    3 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Georgian_169 @ 3.062
    4 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Georgian_169 @ 3.202
    5 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Greek_185 + 25% Turk_482 @ 3.250
    6 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Armenian_10_17 @ 3.535
    7 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Georgians_171 @ 3.547
    8 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Armenian_1_16 @ 3.575
    9 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Abhkasian_1 @ 3.671
    10 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Greek_184 + 25% Georgian_166 @ 3.761


    Predictors for Y-DNA (Morley's) give: R1a [R1a-F3650 (R1a-F928, R1a-CTS10627) for the husband, and R1b1a [R1b-PF6438 (R1b-L407, R1b-PF6506)] for the wife (FTDNA/Myheritage V1.0 hence possible).

    Edit: Turk_482 is Trabzon afaik.
    Last edited by dosas; 04-18-2020 at 06:36 PM.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Very interesting! How much is the Pontus part of the woman? The man is from Western or Eastern part of Thessaly?
    Distance: 2.2672% / 0.02267223
    Target: Christos_scaled
    78.1 update_Peloponnese(Lakonia+Arkadia+older academic samples)
    21.9 Greek_Thessaly

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    Quote Originally Posted by xripkan View Post
    Very interesting! How much is the Pontus part of the woman? The man is from Western or Eastern part of Thessaly?
    I think one grandparent is from Pontus for the wife, husband's Thessalian roots are from somewhere around Trikala I think.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Ντοπιος απο θεσσαλονικη ειναι?Η απο επαρχια?

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    His Macedonian part is from Neochorouda, Thessaloniki (the village from Penelope Delta's book).
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    What city of Pontus the wife has roots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    What city of Pontus the wife has roots?
    Trabzon, coincidentally we share 8cM on ch.21 w/o prior knowing each other, what are the odds? Small world.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    Trabzon, coincidentally we share 8cM on ch.21 w/o prior knowing each other, what are the odds? Small world.
    pff i want western pontus results.I am tired seing colchian like results xd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    pff i want western pontus results.I am tired seing colchian like results xd
    I am trying to convince my first cousin to test (from my father's side). His father was Bafra Pontian proper.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    I am trying to convince my first cousin to test (from my father's side). His father was Bafra Pontian proper.
    Ι want to test as well some relatives of mine from Giserun and Samsun but they dont let me.The only result i have seen from western pontus was a Pontian-American man with ancestry from Samsun and Amaseia.He has cappadocian Greek results with a good amount of steppe admixture(probably mycenean or hittite/phrygian etc).His results were very different from easternpontus(especially trabzon) witch is very normal since colchian culture had never reached western pontus.
    Last edited by Johnny ola; 04-18-2020 at 07:13 PM.

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