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Thread: Archaeological Indo-European and Iranian Y-DNA J1 - Database

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    Sorry to hijack this thread, but I have long been curious on J-Y29696, the second-most 'basal' subclade of J1, with it splitting over 18,000 years ago from the rest of the haplogroup. J-Y29696 seems to be very predominant in the Caucasus, particularly in Armenia, although I noticed that a sample from Pakistan is the most basal member of J-Y29696. It seems that this clade could have either originated in the Caucasus, Iran, or maybe South Asia, possibly among a CHG-like group, although I think the former two locations are far more likely. Additionally, I also suspect it could have spread through the Kura-Araxes culture, although I have no proof of this. I do not recall any J-Y29696 being found in ancient DNA, though I may have overlooked a relevant sample.
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210

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    Yes, very interesting, observe in that subclade J-Y29696>J-PF7261>J-PH128J>Y29688>J-Y234094 one Chinese individual (WGC059850D CHN [CN-65] srh) speaking Sarikoli of the Pamir subgroup of the Southeastern Iranian languages and another Pakistani individual (SAMC013035 PAK [PK-JK] Azad Kashmir) in the same ancient branch.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y234094/

    In the J-Y29696>J-PF7261>J-ZS3290 branch they have one Pakistani Punjabi individual in the same branch of a Northern Syrian from Homs, in the Mitanni frontier.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS3290/

    They also have some Armenian branches like J-Y29696>J-PF7261>J-PH128>J-Y29688>J-Y30278 or PH469
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y30278/

    We also have J1>J-Z2215>J-Z2217>J-L620>J-FGC6064>J-Y59693>J-Y177646 two Armenians in a very ancient node: formed 13400 ybp, TMRCA 13400 ybp
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y177646/

    The importance of ancient J1 nodes well rooted and established in Indo-European speaking branches in core areas where some authors like Johannes Krause point and associate with some of the fist Indo-European languages.

    And still no Iranian high-coverage Y-DNA samples, if we had at least 2000 Iranians samples we would connect most of that ancient branches and SNPs from the Bronze Age and Iron Age structures.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

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