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  1. #251
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Got it... Good old days when a 23andMe V3 kit on GEDmatch would reach 182,000 SNPs, while today only 58,000. This drop in quality is obviously also reflected in Global25 and Bojan's so-high distance.

    Brother sorry , I think it's 24genetics or igenea , I'll lie to you I'll check with him, it was some strange company, I thought that you were speaking about a previous guy with G25 from Northeast, yeah Bojan have really high distances.
    Target: Me
    Distance: 2.1519% / 0.02151936
    76.0 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Slavic
    1.8 __Alanic
    0.4 __Levantine

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    Macedonian from Northeast and one grandparent from Southwest, background ( Probishtip/Sveti Nikole/Pelagonia/Drenak )
    yDNA - R1b1a2a2b ( R1b - L277 ),

    Code:
    Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled,0.132035,0.138112,0.024136,-0.004199,0.018157,-0.010319,-0.004935,-0.004615,0.00409,0.004191,-0.003735,0.004646,-0.011298,0.000826,-0.016151,-0.007558,0.009388,0.000507,-0.00176,-0.003752,-0.007237,0.005317,-0.000616,0.006868,0.000599
    
    Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest,0.0116,0.0136,0.0064,-0.0013,0.0059,-0.0037,-0.0021,-0.002,0.002,0.0023,-0.0023,0.0031,-0.0076,0.0006,-0.0119,-0.0057,0.0072,0.0004,-0.0014,-0.003,-0.0058,0.0043,-0.0005,0.0057,0.0005
    Code:
    Distance to:	Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    0.02864907	Macedonian
    0.03050327	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03074463	Bulgarian
    0.03187121	Albanian
    0.03281197	Greek_Macedonia
    0.03281591	Rumelia_East
    0.03316259	Gagauz
    0.03449188	Swiss_Italian
    0.03471030	Greek_Thessaly
    0.03526973	Romanian
    0.03548442	Italian_Northeast
    0.03701590	Italian_Piedmont
    0.03803961	Italian_Veneto
    0.03964231	Italian_Tuscany
    0.04124196	Greek_Peloponnese
    0.04132003	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04303193	Italian_Bergamo
    0.04315456	Montenegrin
    0.04364765	Italian_Marche
    0.04386795	Italian_Lombardy
    0.04412891	Italian_Liguria
    0.04413099	Serbian
    0.04490851	Italian_Umbria
    0.04740873	French_Provence
    0.04848942	Italian_Aosta_Valley
    
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Soutwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.4275% / 0.02427488 | R3P
    60.0	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    38.2	Italian_Northeast
    1.8	Bolivian_Cochabamba
    
    
    Target: Ljupcho_scaled
    Distance: 2.5685% / 0.02568490 | R2P
    84.0	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    16.0	Shetlandic
    
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.9549% / 0.02954878
    61.8	Balkans_IA
    14.0	Nordic_IA
    11.6	Turkmenistan_IA
    8.4	Baltic_IA
    2.8	England_IA
    1.4	Anatolia_IA
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.0905% / 0.02090495
    50.4	Balkan
    19.4	Graeco-Roman
    14.2	(Balto-)Slavic
    11.6	Germanic
    4.4	Finnic_like
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.8441% / 0.02844055
    45.2	SRB_N
    22.6	RUS_Samara_HG
    12.6	GEO_CHG
    8.2	DEU_LBK_KD
    4.8	AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
    3.8	RUS_Karelia_HG
    1.6	SRB_Starcevo_N
    1.2	BGR_Krepost_N
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.2882% / 0.02288228 | ADC: 1x RC
    62.4	GRC_Helladic_MBA
    23.8	UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
    13.8	Scythian_MDA
    
    Distance to:	Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    0.03231894	GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.03348323	DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
    0.03685277	Scythian_MDA
    0.03699231	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
    0.03965000	ITA_Rome_MA
    0.04489447	HRV_IA
    0.04576555	HRV_MBA
    0.04586984	HRV_EBA
    0.04790340	UKR_Cimmerian_o
    0.04816262	ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
    
    Unscaled,
    
    Distance to:	Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest
    0.01562290	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.01596683	Albanian
    0.01707617	Macedonian
    0.01714039	Greek_Thessaly
    0.01748703	Rumelia_East
    0.01756293	Italian_Northeast
    0.01781899	Bulgarian
    0.01802168	Greek_Macedonia
    0.01803321	Romanian
    0.01839311	Greek_Peloponnese
    0.01874901	Greek_Izmir
    0.01907328	Italian_Molise
    0.01957382	Gagauz
    0.01985362	Swiss_Italian
    0.01994589	Italian_Tuscany
    
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest
    Distance: 1.0791% / 0.01079149 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    52.8	Albanian
    23.0	Italian_Northeast
    5.8	Chechen
    5.4	Chuvash
    5.2	Italian_Molise
    3.8	Cree
    3.0	Ethiopian_Mursi
    1.0	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest
    Distance: 1.3926% / 0.01392553 | ADC: 1x RC
    39.4	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    37.4	Italian_Northeast
    23.2	Albanian
    Last edited by Vasile; 11-19-2021 at 01:58 PM.
    Target: Me
    Distance: 2.1519% / 0.02151936
    76.0 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Slavic
    1.8 __Alanic
    0.4 __Levantine

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    Many kudos to Vasile for getting us so many new North Macedonian kits and telling us where in the country they're from (always appreciated). The only one I've excluded from my data sheets is the one that seems to be low-quality (Bojan).
    Ελευθερία ή θάνατος.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasile View Post
    Macedonian from Northeast and one grandparent from Southwest, background ( Probishtip/Sveti Nikole/Pelagonia/Drenak )
    yDNA - R1b1a2a2b ( R1b - L277 ),

    Code:
    Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled,0.132035,0.138112,0.024136,-0.004199,0.018157,-0.010319,-0.004935,-0.004615,0.00409,0.004191,-0.003735,0.004646,-0.011298,0.000826,-0.016151,-0.007558,0.009388,0.000507,-0.00176,-0.003752,-0.007237,0.005317,-0.000616,0.006868,0.000599
    
    Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest,0.0116,0.0136,0.0064,-0.0013,0.0059,-0.0037,-0.0021,-0.002,0.002,0.0023,-0.0023,0.0031,-0.0076,0.0006,-0.0119,-0.0057,0.0072,0.0004,-0.0014,-0.003,-0.0058,0.0043,-0.0005,0.0057,0.0005
    Code:
    Distance to:	Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    0.02864907	Macedonian
    0.03050327	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03074463	Bulgarian
    0.03187121	Albanian
    0.03281197	Greek_Macedonia
    0.03281591	Rumelia_East
    0.03316259	Gagauz
    0.03449188	Swiss_Italian
    0.03471030	Greek_Thessaly
    0.03526973	Romanian
    0.03548442	Italian_Northeast
    0.03701590	Italian_Piedmont
    0.03803961	Italian_Veneto
    0.03964231	Italian_Tuscany
    0.04124196	Greek_Peloponnese
    0.04132003	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04303193	Italian_Bergamo
    0.04315456	Montenegrin
    0.04364765	Italian_Marche
    0.04386795	Italian_Lombardy
    0.04412891	Italian_Liguria
    0.04413099	Serbian
    0.04490851	Italian_Umbria
    0.04740873	French_Provence
    0.04848942	Italian_Aosta_Valley
    
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Soutwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.4275% / 0.02427488 | R3P
    60.0	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    38.2	Italian_Northeast
    1.8	Bolivian_Cochabamba
    
    
    Target: Ljupcho_scaled
    Distance: 2.5685% / 0.02568490 | R2P
    84.0	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    16.0	Shetlandic
    
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.9549% / 0.02954878
    61.8	Balkans_IA
    14.0	Nordic_IA
    11.6	Turkmenistan_IA
    8.4	Baltic_IA
    2.8	England_IA
    1.4	Anatolia_IA
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.0905% / 0.02090495
    50.4	Balkan
    19.4	Graeco-Roman
    14.2	(Balto-)Slavic
    11.6	Germanic
    4.4	Finnic_like
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.8441% / 0.02844055
    45.2	SRB_N
    22.6	RUS_Samara_HG
    12.6	GEO_CHG
    8.2	DEU_LBK_KD
    4.8	AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
    3.8	RUS_Karelia_HG
    1.6	SRB_Starcevo_N
    1.2	BGR_Krepost_N
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    Distance: 2.2882% / 0.02288228 | ADC: 1x RC
    62.4	GRC_Helladic_MBA
    23.8	UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
    13.8	Scythian_MDA
    
    Distance to:	Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest_scaled
    0.03231894	GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.03348323	DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
    0.03685277	Scythian_MDA
    0.03699231	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
    0.03965000	ITA_Rome_MA
    0.04489447	HRV_IA
    0.04576555	HRV_MBA
    0.04586984	HRV_EBA
    0.04790340	UKR_Cimmerian_o
    0.04816262	ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
    
    Unscaled,
    
    Distance to:	Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest
    0.01562290	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.01596683	Albanian
    0.01707617	Macedonian
    0.01714039	Greek_Thessaly
    0.01748703	Rumelia_East
    0.01756293	Italian_Northeast
    0.01781899	Bulgarian
    0.01802168	Greek_Macedonia
    0.01803321	Romanian
    0.01839311	Greek_Peloponnese
    0.01874901	Greek_Izmir
    0.01907328	Italian_Molise
    0.01957382	Gagauz
    0.01985362	Swiss_Italian
    0.01994589	Italian_Tuscany
    
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest
    Distance: 1.0791% / 0.01079149 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    52.8	Albanian
    23.0	Italian_Northeast
    5.8	Chechen
    5.4	Chuvash
    5.2	Italian_Molise
    3.8	Cree
    3.0	Ethiopian_Mursi
    1.0	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    
    Target: Macedonian_Northeast_Southwest
    Distance: 1.3926% / 0.01392553 | ADC: 1x RC
    39.4	Greek_Central_Macedonia
    37.4	Italian_Northeast
    23.2	Albanian
    What I find very interesting from all the kits you have posted is how much of a difference there is between Northeastern Macedonia and South Morava like there is almost a hard border there which is not at all the case further north where there is no border between Bulgarians and Serbs.
    Distance: 6.5138% / 0.06513835
    56.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
    17.8 GEO_CHG
    13.4 RUS_AfontovaGora3
    7.6 LUX_Loschbour
    3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 MNG_Late_Med

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Many kudos to Vasile for getting us so many new North Macedonian kits and telling us where in the country they're from (always appreciated). The only one I've excluded from my data sheets is the one that seems to be low-quality (Bojan).
    Yeah , he is tested back then when iGenea was thing
    Target: Me
    Distance: 2.1519% / 0.02151936
    76.0 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Slavic
    1.8 __Alanic
    0.4 __Levantine

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    What I find very interesting from all the kits you have posted is how much of a difference there is between Northeastern Macedonia and South Morava like there is almost a hard border there which is not at all the case further north where there is no border between Bulgarians and Serbs.
    The connection would be most Northeastern city Kumanovo, which is Serbian influenced, here's Macedonian from Kumanovo close to Bulgarian average

    Distance to: Northeast_Kumanovo_scaled
    0.02076829 Bulgarian
    0.02254349 Romanian
    0.02356013 Macedonian
    0.02850731 Serbian
    0.02930113 Montenegrin
    0.03024285 Italian_Northeast
    0.03145774 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03331829 Albanian
    0.03349249 Greek_Macedonia


    Target: Northeast_Kumanovo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6464% / 0.01646411 | R2P
    54.4 Greek_Peloponnese
    45.6 Slovenian


    Code:
    Northeast_Kumanovo_scaled,0.120652,0.136081,0.032432,-0.000646,0.029852,-0.00753,0.002115,-0.003692,0.007363,0.007107,-0.001461,-0.003747,0.002676,0.014313,-0.013301,0.001989,0.002999,0.002787,0.006913,0.000375,-0.005366,-0.003586,0,-0.001928,-0.001916
    Northeast_Kumanovo,0.0106,0.0134,0.0086,-0.0002,0.0097,-0.0027,0.0009,-0.0016,0.0036,0.0039,-0.0009,-0.0025,0.0018,0.0104,-0.0098,0.0015,0.0023,0.0022,0.0055,0.0003,-0.0043,-0.0029,0,-0.0016,-0.0016
    Edit : Mixed Macedonians from Northeast mostly from Kumanovo (Macedo-Serbs) always plots close to Bulgarian , not close to Serbian average, and full Macedonians from both sides are always closest to Greek_Central_Macedonia average, no matter from what region on G25, and on K13 Eurogenes mostly would be Albanian_Gheg and Vlach Aromanian.
    Last edited by Vasile; 11-25-2021 at 07:43 PM.
    Target: Me
    Distance: 2.1519% / 0.02151936
    76.0 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Slavic
    1.8 __Alanic
    0.4 __Levantine

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    This Macedonian from Struga, on morley predictor, says G2a, some more detailed info?



    Code:
    Macedonian_Southwest_scaled,0.121791,0.138112,0.022627,-0.014535,0.030775,-0.000558,0.002585,-0.001154,-0.001432,0.014943,0.000325,0.003747,-0.00223,0.001927,-0.019951,0.008751,0.023078,-0.002914,0.002137,-0.00025,-0.01435,-0.005688,0.001109,0.007953,-0.003832
    
    Macedonian_Southwest,0.0107,0.0136,0.006,-0.0045,0.01,-0.0002,0.0011,-0.0005,-0.0007,0.0082,0.0002,0.0025,-0.0015,0.0014,-0.0147,0.0066,0.0177,-0.0023,0.0017,-0.0002,-0.0115,-0.0046,0.0009,0.0066,-0.0032
    Target: Me
    Distance: 2.1519% / 0.02151936
    76.0 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Slavic
    1.8 __Alanic
    0.4 __Levantine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasile View Post
    This Macedonian from Struga, on morley predictor, says G2a, some more detailed info?



    Code:
    Macedonian_Southwest_scaled,0.121791,0.138112,0.022627,-0.014535,0.030775,-0.000558,0.002585,-0.001154,-0.001432,0.014943,0.000325,0.003747,-0.00223,0.001927,-0.019951,0.008751,0.023078,-0.002914,0.002137,-0.00025,-0.01435,-0.005688,0.001109,0.007953,-0.003832
    
    Macedonian_Southwest,0.0107,0.0136,0.006,-0.0045,0.01,-0.0002,0.0011,-0.0005,-0.0007,0.0082,0.0002,0.0025,-0.0015,0.0014,-0.0147,0.0066,0.0177,-0.0023,0.0017,-0.0002,-0.0115,-0.0046,0.0009,0.0066,-0.0032
    He is in this subclade:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z2022/

    This looks like a Roman mediated subclade.
    There is a Bulgarian further downstream so he might form a branch with him although this doesn't need to be the case.

    BTW, right now you have huge discount on Nebula Genomics, you can buy NGS test for only 199$. This discount will last until midnight. So if you're interested hurry up and order one for yourself...
    Target: Aspar_scaled
    Distance: 1.9646% / 0.01964602 | ADC: 1x RC
    57.6 Macedonian
    42.4 Greek_Central_Macedonia

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    (11) G25 coordinates from Macedonians with Y-DNA & Region info :

    Code:
    Southwest_Pelagonia-I-CTS595_scaled,0.122929,0.146236,0.023381,-0.006137,0.026774,-0.001116,-0.00376,-0.002077,-0.002454,0.018588,0.00065,0.001798,0.003717,0.010184,-0.011943,-0.008353,-0.008475,-0.000887,0.008799,-0.009004,-0.009234,0.009769,-0.000739,0.000602,-0.002395
    Northeast_Skopje-I2a_scaled,0.125205,0.151314,0.024136,0.004199,0.029852,0.002231,0.003055,0.008307,-0.001432,0.011116,-0.002273,0.004496,-0.004608,0.004266,-0.012758,-0.020154,-0.005737,0.004814,0.004777,-0.005002,-0.010731,0.00136,-0.000493,0.003615,0.006347
    Central_Veles-E-L677_scaled,0.129758,0.14319,0.024513,-0.005814,0.027082,0.000837,0.003055,0.005077,0.003886,0.01385,-0.001299,0.001199,-0.002379,0.008945,-0.013843,-0.013259,-0.011213,0.003547,0.002137,-0.004627,-0.007487,-0.002226,0.002588,-0.002651,0.003952
    Central_Kavadarci-EV-13_scaled,0.124067,0.144205,0.015839,-0.011305,0.025235,-0.004462,0.00611,0,0.000409,0.010387,0.001137,0.002847,-0.002379,0.015964,-0.012215,-0.007823,-0.005215,0.003167,0.005279,-0.010505,-0.010107,0.001855,0.003574,0.001446,0
    Southeast_Gevgelija-EV-13_scaled,0.121791,0.144205,0.026398,-0.012597,0.024928,-0.005578,0.00094,-0.001846,0.001636,0.006925,-0.002923,-0.002997,-0.000595,0.011423,-0.014794,0.010607,0.013299,0.000127,0.010182,-0.006753,-0.006239,0.006677,0.007641,0.002169,-0.000958
    East_Delcevo-EV-13_scaled,0.127482,0.137096,0.031678,-0.003553,0.032006,0.00251,-0.00094,0.000231,0.001023,0.009112,-0.001949,-0.003597,-0.001635,0.004542,-0.015065,0.004243,0.022296,0.004054,0.001383,0.001626,-0.004118,0.006677,0.004067,0.001325,-0.007065
    Northeast_R1b-L277_scaled,0.132035,0.138112,0.024136,-0.004199,0.018157,-0.010319,-0.004935,-0.004615,0.00409,0.004191,-0.003735,0.004646,-0.011298,0.000826,-0.016151,-0.007558,0.009388,0.000507,-0.00176,-0.003752,-0.007237,0.005317,-0.000616,0.006868,0.000599
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    Last edited by Vasile; Yesterday at 07:59 PM.
    Target: Me
    Distance: 2.1519% / 0.02151936
    76.0 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Slavic
    1.8 __Alanic
    0.4 __Levantine

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