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    Macedonian Gedmatch kits

    Macedonian gedmatch kits - 28.


    Code:
    A824134
    A752924
    A682893
    A231427
    A444799
    A356451
    A572241
    T709325 (EV-13)
    A987004
    M586408
    M674577 (J2b2)
    T392786,
    T595018
    T401886
    T179680
    H130030
    H724659
    A506798
    M968385
    M958633 (I2a2)
    M457882
    T973440 (I-Z17855)
    T251028
    A373748
    T663642
    H414329
    A893473
    H686285
    A079814
    M887933 (E1b1b1a)
    PCA k15 with all kits.


    Most of them are between triangle Bulgarians,Thessalians and Tuscan.
    Highest Baltic 24.
    Lowest Baltic 18.
    Average from these kits is 21,44.

    Spreadsheet with Macedonian k13 gedmatch kits results.


    Results from Macedonian gedmatch's without kit number.
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    Are there Macedonian kits from Debar, Struga, Ohrid?

    I would be really curious to see results from this region.


    Btw. These are my K15 result. They come from Golloborde region in Albania. I come from a bilingual family from this region and have historically used Macedonian and Albanian, which might be of interest in this thread.

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 20.22
    2 East_Med 19.42
    3 West_Med 16.21
    4 North_Sea 13.37
    5 West_Asian 12.56
    6 Baltic 12.52
    7 Eastern_Euro 1.87
    8 Red_Sea 1.65
    9 Siberian 1.54
    10 Amerindian 0.61
    11 Oceanian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan 7.63
    2 Greek 8.19
    3 Greek_Thessaly 8.9
    4 Bulgarian 8.98
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.45
    6 North_Italian 10.21
    7 Romanian 10.51
    8 West_Sicilian 11.05
    9 Central_Greek 11.46
    10 East_Sicilian 12.14
    11 South_Italian 13.6
    12 Serbian 13.72
    13 Ashkenazi 13.78
    14 Spanish_Andalucia 16.72
    15 Portuguese 16.88
    16 Spanish_Extremadura 16.91
    17 Spanish_Murcia 16.92
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.19
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.24
    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.59

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% Bulgarian @ 5.04
    2 72.6% Greek + 27.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.36
    3 58.8% South_Italian + 41.2% Austrian @ 5.38
    4 72.7% Greek + 27.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.43
    5 82.5% Greek + 17.5% Irish @ 5.44
    6 75.4% Greek + 24.6% French @ 5.46
    7 62.8% Tuscan + 37.2% Romanian @ 5.48
    8 81.4% Greek + 18.6% Southwest_English @ 5.5
    9 81.8% Greek + 18.2% Southeast_English @ 5.51
    10 83.2% Greek + 16.8% West_Scottish @ 5.58
    11 83.7% Greek + 16.3% Orcadian @ 5.59
    12 63.9% South_Italian + 36.1% East_German @ 5.64
    13 78.4% Greek + 21.6% South_Dutch @ 5.66
    14 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% French_Basque @ 5.68
    15 73% Greek + 27% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.68
    16 83.1% Greek + 16.9% North_Dutch @ 5.75
    17 59.1% Greek + 40.9% North_Italian @ 5.75
    18 74.1% Greek + 25.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.77
    19 81.6% Greek + 18.4% North_German @ 5.77
    20 77.4% Greek + 22.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.82


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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    Are there Macedonian kits from Debar, Struga, Ohrid?

    I would be really curious to see results from this region.


    Btw. These are my K15 result. They come from Golloborde region in Albania. I come from a bilingual family from this region and have historically used Macedonian and Albanian, which might be of interest in this thread.

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 20.22
    2 East_Med 19.42
    3 West_Med 16.21
    4 North_Sea 13.37
    5 West_Asian 12.56
    6 Baltic 12.52
    7 Eastern_Euro 1.87
    8 Red_Sea 1.65
    9 Siberian 1.54
    10 Amerindian 0.61
    11 Oceanian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan 7.63
    2 Greek 8.19
    3 Greek_Thessaly 8.9
    4 Bulgarian 8.98
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.45
    6 North_Italian 10.21
    7 Romanian 10.51
    8 West_Sicilian 11.05
    9 Central_Greek 11.46
    10 East_Sicilian 12.14
    11 South_Italian 13.6
    12 Serbian 13.72
    13 Ashkenazi 13.78
    14 Spanish_Andalucia 16.72
    15 Portuguese 16.88
    16 Spanish_Extremadura 16.91
    17 Spanish_Murcia 16.92
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.19
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.24
    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.59

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% Bulgarian @ 5.04
    2 72.6% Greek + 27.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.36
    3 58.8% South_Italian + 41.2% Austrian @ 5.38
    4 72.7% Greek + 27.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.43
    5 82.5% Greek + 17.5% Irish @ 5.44
    6 75.4% Greek + 24.6% French @ 5.46
    7 62.8% Tuscan + 37.2% Romanian @ 5.48
    8 81.4% Greek + 18.6% Southwest_English @ 5.5
    9 81.8% Greek + 18.2% Southeast_English @ 5.51
    10 83.2% Greek + 16.8% West_Scottish @ 5.58
    11 83.7% Greek + 16.3% Orcadian @ 5.59
    12 63.9% South_Italian + 36.1% East_German @ 5.64
    13 78.4% Greek + 21.6% South_Dutch @ 5.66
    14 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% French_Basque @ 5.68
    15 73% Greek + 27% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.68
    16 83.1% Greek + 16.9% North_Dutch @ 5.75
    17 59.1% Greek + 40.9% North_Italian @ 5.75
    18 74.1% Greek + 25.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.77
    19 81.6% Greek + 18.4% North_German @ 5.77
    20 77.4% Greek + 22.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.82

    Nice it seems you clustering with some of them,yeah there is few from Southwest Macedonia ,these kits are from all regions of country i dont know it exact region,but i know there is kits from Ohrid... i noticed that Albanians from Macedonian and Montenegro also Ghegs have very similar k13 to Macedonians.
    Btw these with 23-24 Baltic i think is from Northwest and Northeast part of country.

    EDIT : I would say these Macedonian kits from Central part of country would be closest to Debar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macman View Post
    Nice it seems you clustering with some of them,yeah there is few from Southwest Macedonia ,these kits are from all regions of country i dont know it exact region,but i know there is kits from Ohrid... i noticed that Albanians from Macedonian and Montenegro also Ghegs have very similar k13 to Macedonians.
    Btw these with 23-24 Baltic i think is from Northwest and Northeast part of country.
    I think so as well.

    I've noticed the Northeast of Macedonia differs slightly from other parts, but not by much. I think there's a natural cline like in Albania. Albanian cline is North-South, While Macedonian is Northeast-Southwest

    I've deleted Gedmatch. I wish I had saved the K13 results to compare.

    I have the k36, however.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    I think so as well.

    I've noticed the Northeast of Macedonia differs slightly from other parts, but not by much. I think there's a natural cline like in Albania. Albanian cline is North-South, While Macedonian is Northeast-Southwest

    I've deleted Gedmatch. I wish I had saved the K13 results to compare.

    I have the k36, however.

    Yeah , also some cities from Northeast like mine Kumanovo have assimilated some Serbian population, even nowdays there is villages close to Serbian border with Serbian population , i think thats why little bit different.Also nortwest part there is result with 23 Baltic with 19 Eastmed and 22 Baltic with 25 Eastmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macman View Post
    Yeah , also some cities from Northeast like mine Kumanovo have assimilated some Serbian population, even nowdays there is villages close to Serbian border with Serbian population , i think thats why little bit different.Also nortwest part there is result with 23 Baltic with 19 Eastmed and 22 Baltic with 25 Eastmed.
    Northwest is the Pollog area, I assume.

    I also get 2% Siberian on most calculators. I figured it must be noise but seem to be showing up in Northwest Macedonia as well.

    They really need to do a wide-study of Albania-Macedonia-Bulgaria. There are so many questions, and interest, that a comprehensive study would answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    Northwest is the Pollog area, I assume.

    I also get 2% Siberian on most calculators. I figured it must be noise but seem to be showing up in Northwest Macedonia as well.

    They really need to do a wide-study of Albania-Macedonia-Bulgaria. There are so many question, and interest, that a comprehensive study would answer.
    Yeah , i think people from Macedonia and some countries around are less tested.
    Btw are you full Albanian or you have some Macedonian ancestors , i dont understood you..
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    Quote Originally Posted by macman View Post
    Yeah , i think people from Macedonia and some countries around are less tested.
    Btw are you full Albanian or you have some Macedonian ancestors , i dont understood you..
    Well, as in Western Macedonia identities get convoluted with religion and language. It is always a difficult answer in these parts. But in terms of identity, we have for as much as I have transcribed through my parents and grandparents, identified with Albanian. Although, within that exists a transient relatedness with Macedonian. I personally understand that in a world where borders were slightly different, we would have probably been part of the Macedonian ethnos, although to some extent many would consider us part of the Macedonian ethnos today. It is a complicated region but most importantly, you will not find ill-will against the Macedonian people there.

    I am not sure if that answer suffices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    Well, as in Western Macedonia identities get convoluted with religion and language. It is always a difficult answer in these parts. But in terms of identity, we have for as much as I have transcribed through my parents and grandparents, identified with Albanian. Although, within that exists a transient relatedness with Macedonian. I personally understand that in a world where borders were slightly different, we would have probably been part of the Macedonian ethnos, although to some extent many would consider us part of the Macedonian ethnos today. It is a complicated region but most importantly, you will not find ill-will against the Macedonian people there.

    I am not sure if that answer suffices?
    Yeap more than enough
    In two side's of borders live Macedonians or Albanians but i think no big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macman View Post
    Yeap more than enough
    In two side's of borders live Macedonians or Albanians but i think no big difference.
    I agree. The difference between the two countries is superficial in my opinion.

    Thank you for the map. I see it includes "Doborus" which is the city and tribe us Dibrans stem from.

    Where is the map from?

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