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    Seems like Macedonians cluster just between Bulgarians/Ghegs generally, with individual overlap with both. Even the most northern Macedonians are to the south of south shifted Montenegrin Serbs who typically hover around 25% baltic, and Nis/SE Serbs, who often hover around 30% Baltic from my observations, so there's an obvious genetic divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    Pontic Greeks don't score East Asian, this is a Bulgarian marker.
    He is being pulled towards the Turkish communities and the Pomaks, whom have some Turkish/Anatolian admixture. I think a 1/4 admixture with an Anatolian or Pontic Greek is not unreasonable and would probably show similar results. Although, I don't know the intricacies of Anatolian Greeks that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    He is being pulled towards the Turkish communities and the Pomaks, whom have some Turkish/Anatolian admixture. I think a 1/4 admixture with an Anatolian or Pontic Greek is not unreasonable and would probably show similar results. Although, I don't know the intricacies of Anatolian Greeks that well.
    Those are all Bulgarian and Balkan Turk markers, Pontic Greeks cluster and show affinity to neither, as they score no East Asian, Siberian, and Amerindian. If you do not know the intricacies of the group you are referring to, you should refrain from making grande statements.
    Last edited by dosas; 05-05-2020 at 10:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    He is being pulled towards the Turkish communities and the Pomaks, whom have some Turkish/Anatolian admixture. I think a 1/4 admixture with an Anatolian or Pontic Greek is not unreasonable and would probably show similar results. Although, I don't know the intricacies of Anatolian Greeks that well.
    I don't think he is 25% pontic Greek; he would be more east shifted. Pontic Greeks are almost steppeless and close to the Armenia/Georgia dot on that map. He already has 23% baltic, so if he were 25% Pontian then his Macedonian ancestry with the Pontian removed would be over 30% Baltic which would be extremely atypical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    I don't think he is 25% pontic Greek; he would be more east shifted. Pontic Greeks are almost steppeless and close to the Armenia/Georgia dot on that map. He already has 23% baltic, so if he were 25% Pontian then his Macedonian ancestry with the Pontian removed would be over 30% Baltic which would be extremely atypical.
    There are some Macedonian Kits from Lerin I have seen in addition to some Vlach, that do cluster north of Bulgaria. Although, that is not typical.

    I think it is irrelevant as he clusters with the Balkan group. A bit atypical I guess, which can be within the margin of spread. Which is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    There are some Macedonian Kits from Lerin I have seen in addition to some Vlach, that do cluster north of Bulgaria. Although, that is not typical.

    I think it is irrelevant as he clusters with the Balkan group. A bit atypical I guess, which can be within the margin of spread. Which is fine.
    If his minor non-euro was removed he would probably plot a bit more normal; that's the issue with that map, 1-2% of extra non-euro admix can make someone look more atypical than they are. But I agree he is within the cluster still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    Sure, not Pontic Greeks as it was wrongly stated.
    He thought about high West Asian, North Greeks have high West Asian, also i found one Greek from Macedonia region gedmatch kit interesting he is pure Pontus.
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    "Greek Macedonian" results for puntDNAL K13
    
    Kit Number: Z418934
    Name: GreeceMaced1
    
    1 Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.850202
    2 Armenian @ 4.943121
    3 Assyrian @ 6.664927
    4 Lebanese_Druze @ 10.400541
    5 Turkish_Kayseri @ 10.442624
    6 Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 10.446073
    7 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.090278
    8 Lebanese_Christian @ 11.850492
    9 Abkhasian @ 11.862915
    10 Cypriot @ 11.916451
    11 Syrian @ 12.244077
    12 Turkish @ 12.708711
    13 Kurdish @ 12.729999
    14 Iranian @ 16.302404
    15 Ossetian @ 16.326971
    16 Dagestan_Azeri @ 17.420746
    17 Turkish_Aydin @ 17.674520
    18 Jordanian @ 17.760265
    19 Balkar @ 18.509897
    20 Samaritan_Jew @ 18.515850
    
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    1 50% Armenian +50% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.706778
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    Last edited by macman; 05-05-2020 at 10:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Seems like Macedonians cluster just between Bulgarians/Ghegs generally, with individual overlap with both. Even the most northern Macedonians are to the south of south shifted Montenegrin Serbs who typically hover around 25% baltic, and Nis/SE Serbs, who often hover around 30% Baltic from my observations, so there's an obvious genetic divide.
    Highest Baltic is 24 and its from Northeast part.
    Yeah , Macedonian results same/similar like Ghegs,Kosovo-Albanians,Montenegro-Albanians and Macedonia-Albanians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    There are some Macedonian Kits from Lerin I have seen in addition to some Vlach, that do cluster north of Bulgaria. Although, that is not typical.

    I think it is irrelevant as he clusters with the Balkan group. A bit atypical I guess, which can be within the margin of spread. Which is fine.
    And Torbeshi and Vlach results from Macedonia are closest with Macedonian samples.
    This is with all Macedonian gedmatch kits.
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    Distance to:	Vlach_North-Macedonia
    3.26291281	Macedonian14
    3.35590524	Macedonian16
    3.55574184	Macedonian2
    3.66697423	Macedonian_Southeast
    3.79058043	Macedonian3
    3.91461349	Kosovo_Albanian
    3.94906318	Macedonian13
    4.02385387	Albanian_Kosovo
    4.13471054	North_Macedonian
    4.18132754	MacedonianI2a2
    4.40844644	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
    4.63590336	Macedonian_Tetovo
    4.69486954	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    4.81666897	MacedonianEV-13
    4.87131399	Macedonian10
    4.89497702	Macedonian_Southeast
    4.89898969	Greek_Central-Macedonia
    4.96505790	Bulgarian_Gabrovo
    5.11829073	Bulgarian_Serres
    5.15262069	Macedonian7
    5.21273441	Bulgarian_Central
    5.35772340	Macedonian_Northwest
    5.37985130	Albanian
    5.40880763	Moldova_South
    5.43513569	Albanian_Montenegro
    5.52200145	Pomak_Nevrokopi
    5.56659681	Albanian_north_Albania
    5.58783500	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    5.63889174	Bulgarian
    5.68591242	Macedonian_North
    5.78089093	Macedonian_Central
    5.80525624	Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
    5.81604677	Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
    5.90335498	Macedonian18
    5.91021150	Vlach_Central-Macedonia
    5.96690875	Macedonian8
    6.00467318	Macedonian11
    6.05198315	Macedonian_East
    6.06240876	Macedonian4
    6.08185005	Macedonian17
    6.09923766	Greek_Western-Macedonia
    6.19318173	Macedonian5
    6.41039780	Romanian_Muntenia
    6.45283659	Albanian_Albania
    6.49358915	Albanian_Macedonia
    6.58057748	Turk_Kavala
    6.58719212	Romanian_Wallachia_average
    6.66373769	Macedonian1
    6.67097444	Greek_Thessaloniki
    6.71233767	Macedonian
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    Distance to:	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    2.49094360	Macedonian18
    2.96905709	Macedonian2
    3.04039471	Macedonian1
    3.04304124	Greek_Thessaloniki
    3.36952519	MacedonianI2a2
    3.39560009	Macedonian9
    3.69014905	Albanian_north_Albania
    3.73814125	Macedonian5
    3.84789553	Albanian_Montenegro
    3.85769361	Albanian
    3.91271006	Macedonian7
    4.04988889	Albanian_Kosovo
    4.09059898	Macedonian8
    4.19652237	Greek_Northern-Thrace
    4.24897635	MacedonianI-Z17855
    4.25675933	Macedonian_Southwest
    4.25868524	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    4.37782276	Kosovo_Albanian
    4.43430942	Macedonian_East
    4.47925217	Albanian_Albania
    4.54233420	Macedonian4
    4.55782843	Macedonian_North
    4.65229849	North_Macedonian
    4.75355656	Macedonian12
    4.78695101	MacedonianEV-13
    4.83658971	Macedonian6
    4.95500757	MacedonianJ2b2
    5.05789482	Macedonian_Southeast
    5.17415694	Albanian_Macedonia
    5.17640802	Macedonian_Tetovo
    5.34654094	Macedonian13
    5.35709810	Macedonian3
    5.37954459	Macedonian_Central
    5.46834527	Albanian_central_Albania
    5.56550986	Greek_Western-Macedonia
    5.61360847	Vlach_Central-Macedonia
    5.62864993	Macedonian16
    5.70121040	Albanian_south_Albania
    5.74221624	Bulgarian_Thrace
    5.89966948	Turk_Thessaloniki
    5.99549831	Bulgarian_Central
    6.08809494	Greek_Central-Macedonia
    6.16213437	Bulgarian
    6.18479587	Macedonian10
    6.27110038	Pomak_Nevrokopi
    6.28813963	Greek_Thessaly
    6.39767145	Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
    6.57066968	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    6.73074290	Macedonian11
    6.78658972	Macedonian_Northwest
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