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Thread: Which group is genetically more Levanite, Lebanese or Palestinian Christians?

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    Mom's results, 7 Christian "Lebanese" great-grandparents born in the 19th cent, one Armenian great-grandfather (so she may exhibit some pull to the NE):

    Distance to: DewslothMom_scaled
    0.02564413 Levant_LBN_MA
    0.02599229 Levant_LBN_Roman
    0.03707480 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
    0.03909758 Anatolia_Ovaoren_EBA
    0.04077012 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
    0.04125967 IND_Roopkund_B_o
    0.04188566 Levant_LBN_MA_o3
    0.04381826 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    0.04649365 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
    0.04748353 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    0.05042246 Levant_ISR_MLBA
    0.05073781 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.05114107 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1
    0.05559179 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA
    0.05625645 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    0.05846513 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    0.06162692 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
    0.06512466 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    0.07028337 IND_Roopkund_B
    0.07339622 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
    0.07356796 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
    0.07377218 Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD
    0.07521298 ARM_Areni_C
    0.07685994 IRN_Hasanlu_IA
    0.07888683 Levant_JOR_EBA

    Target: DewslothMom_scaled
    Distance: 0.6675% / 0.00667462
    23.6 Levant_PPNC
    12.0 TKM_Sumbar_LBA
    9.8 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    9.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan
    8.4 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
    7.4 Levant_LBN_MA
    4.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
    4.0 TKM_Gonur3_BA
    3.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    3.0 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    2.6 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
    2.6 USA_colonial_period
    1.8 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
    1.6 MKD_N
    1.6 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Talin
    1.0 RUS_Kubano-Tersk
    0.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    0.4 DEU_MA_o
    0.4 LAO_LN_BA
    0.2 BGR_IA
    0.2 ZAF_2100BP

    Edit: Moderns:

    Distance to: DewslothMom_scaled
    0.01677597 Druze
    0.01967495 Lebanese_Druze
    0.02020828 Lebanese_Christian
    0.02514901 Cypriot
    0.02539458 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.02810177 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.02921977 Karaite_Egypt
    0.03063383 Syrian_Jew
    0.03405758 Iraqi_Jew
    0.04103243 Samaritan
    0.04150630 Iranian_Jew
    0.04152754 Romaniote_Jew
    0.04197251 Syrian
    0.04215081 Georgian_Jew
    0.04280461 Assyrian
    0.04311491 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.04680930 Armenian
    0.04712804 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
    0.04999879 Sephardic_Jew
    0.05091373 Tunisian_Jew
    0.05098221 Greek_Kos
    0.05108900 Jordanian
    0.05170682 Libyan_Jew
    0.05317664 Italian_Jew
    0.05520402 Turkish_Trabzon

    Target: DewslothMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.0363% / 0.01036270
    48.4 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    23.4 Greek_Trabzon
    14.6 Cypriot
    9.2 Samaritan
    1.6 Yemenite_Mahra
    1.2 Sardinian
    0.6 Yakut
    0.4 Mbuti
    0.2 Ju_hoan_North
    0.2 Koinanbe
    0.2 Lebbo
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 04-28-2020 at 05:43 PM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Samaritans, scaled:

    Distance to: Samaritan
    0.02163410 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
    0.02287706 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
    0.03115637 Levant_LBN_Roman
    0.03127514 Levant_LBN_MA
    0.03524076 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
    0.04287756 Levant_ISR_MLBA
    0.04840492 Levant_LBN_MA_o3
    0.05328437 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
    0.05712025 Levant_JOR_EBA
    0.06268079 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1
    0.06392600 Anatolia_Ovaoren_EBA
    0.06508686 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    0.06627914 IND_Roopkund_B_o
    0.06669452 EGY_Late_Period
    0.06728954 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    0.06903536 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    0.07418887 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.07571905 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    0.07730470 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA
    0.07802007 EGY_Hellenistic
    0.08069435 Levant_ISR_C
    0.08256876 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
    0.08334494 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    0.08449830 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
    0.09205715 IND_Roopkund_B

    Target: Samaritan
    Distance: 0.9270% / 0.00926980
    33.8 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
    21.6 Levant_ISR_C
    17.2 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    10.4 TKM_Parkhai_MBA
    6.2 EGY_Hellenistic
    5.2 Levant_Natufian
    3.0 Levant_PPNC
    1.0 Baltic_LVA_BA
    0.8 Anatolia_Kumtepe_N_low_res
    0.8 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    What calculators are you guys using for these nmonte results?

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    for me, raw vahaduo
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Silly question ............whats religion got to do with a geographical term as in levant? ..............and also how many generations are you asking about 2, 3, 50, 100 ?

    oldest I recall is for northern levant .........was hittite mixed with luwian

    and palestians came via eastern crete - minoans ................that is the latest studies I have seen
    How much, genetically speaking, did the minoans influence the Levant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    for me, raw vahaduo
    Raw vahaduo? You mean the website with all the gedmatch calculators? Like for your mom results are you going off of eurogenes k13 ancient? I don't know what you mean by raw vahaduo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander87 View Post
    Raw vahaduo? You mean the website with all the gedmatch calculators? Like for your mom results are you going off of eurogenes k13 ancient? I don't know what you mean by raw vahaduo.
    This site: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

    using G25 coordinates from this site: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...obal25_12.html
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander87 View Post
    How much, genetically speaking, did the minoans influence the Levant?
    Not exactly minoans but more specific the infamous sea people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples


    Philistine people were aegean and anatolian like.

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    I think Ashkelon_IA1067 is a good example how were genetically the Sea people who settled the Levant area. A mix of Aegean (Minoan-like) and Luwian/Hettites people. Most of the other Ashkelon IA1 samples have some local/Levantine influence.
    Last edited by xripkan; 04-28-2020 at 09:30 PM.
    Distance: 2.2672% / 0.02267223
    Target: Christos_scaled
    78.1 update_Peloponnese(Lakonia+Arkadia+older academic samples)
    21.9 Greek_Thessaly

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    Quote Originally Posted by xripkan View Post
    I think Ashkelon_IA1067 is a good example how were genetically the Sea people who settled the Levant area. A mix of Aegean (Minoan-like) and Luwian/Hettites people. Most of the other Ashkelon IA1 samples have some local/Levantine influence.
    Yes.Also the arzawa league was probably their stronghold and later the Lukka lands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arzawa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukka_lands

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