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    Which group is genetically more Levanite, Lebanese or Palestinian Christians?

    Which group is genetically more Levanite on average, Lebanese Christians or Palestinian Christians?
    thanks.

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    Personally i don't see big diffrences tbh.

    Target: Lebanese_Christian
    Distance: 2.3702% / 0.02370167
    44.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    20.8 Levant_Natufian
    5.8 GEO_CHG
    3.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    Target: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    Distance: 2.9202% / 0.02920236
    44.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    27.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    21.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 GEO_CHG
    1.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara



    Btw Samaritans are probably the best example i think!!!

    Target: Samaritan
    Distance: 2.9843% / 0.02984303
    39.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    28.8 Levant_Natufian
    26.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    5.4 GEO_CHG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Personally i don't see big diffrences tbh.

    Target: Lebanese_Christian
    Distance: 2.3702% / 0.02370167
    44.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    20.8 Levant_Natufian
    5.8 GEO_CHG
    3.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    Target: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    Distance: 2.9202% / 0.02920236
    44.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    27.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    21.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 GEO_CHG
    1.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara



    Btw Samaritans are probably the best example i think!!!

    Target: Samaritan
    Distance: 2.9843% / 0.02984303
    39.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    28.8 Levant_Natufian
    26.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    5.4 GEO_CHG
    Interesting it’s dependent on the model

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    The main issue among levantinte groups is how they received their steppe input.I would say mittani,hyskos,hittites,hurrians and maybe later crusaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    The main issue among levantinte groups is how they received their steppe input.I would say mittani,hyskos,hittites,hurrians and maybe later crusaders.
    Hyksos? as in like Amorites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jab123 View Post
    Which group is genetically more Levanite on average, Lebanese Christians or Palestinian Christians?
    thanks.
    Silly question ............whats religion got to do with a geographical term as in levant? ..............and also how many generations are you asking about 2, 3, 50, 100 ?

    oldest I recall is for northern levant .........was hittite mixed with luwian

    and palestians came via eastern crete - minoans ................that is the latest studies I have seen


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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    Hyksos? as in like Amorites?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Silly question ............whats religion got to do with a geographical term as in levant? ..............and also how many generations are you asking about 2, 3, 50, 100 ?

    oldest I recall is for northern levant .........was hittite mixed with luwian

    and palestians came via eastern crete - minoans ................that is the latest studies I have seen
    The later syro-hittite states assilimated later in the neo-assyrian empire.After the downfall they probably have become the native populations of modern adana,Hatay, Osmaniye provinces of southern Turkey and ofc the northern levantinte populations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Hittite_states

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    Samples from LBA AND IA distances with modern Pops.


    Distance to: Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA:ASH34
    0.03298464 Lebanese_Christian
    0.03788223 Samaritan
    0.03873564 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.04051974 Druze
    0.04107915 Lebanese_Druze
    0.04166861 Iraqi_Jew
    0.04318409 Karaite_Egypt
    0.04454056 Cypriot
    0.04811960 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.05198136 Syrian_Jew
    0.05415982 Iranian_Jew
    0.05990631 Assyrian
    0.06026368 Romaniote_Jew
    0.06045919 Georgian_Jew
    0.06142412 Syrian
    0.06317540 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.06326398 Armenian
    0.06326986 Tunisian_Jew
    0.06454945 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
    0.06488637 Jordanian
    0.06630427 Libyan_Jew
    0.06710438 Palestinian
    0.06811571 Sephardic_Jew
    0.07085566 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.07184476 Italian_Jew

    Distance to: Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA:ASH33
    0.04630223 Samaritan
    0.04804156 Lebanese_Christian
    0.05032270 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.05489852 Lebanese_Druze
    0.05513257 Druze
    0.05602709 Iraqi_Jew
    0.06052782 Karaite_Egypt
    0.06068001 Cypriot
    0.06079992 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.06527229 Iranian_Jew
    0.06896130 Syrian_Jew
    0.07111102 Georgian_Jew
    0.07131356 Assyrian
    0.07221583 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
    0.07238592 Syrian
    0.07253044 Jordanian
    0.07419013 Palestinian
    0.07494523 Romaniote_Jew
    0.07633516 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07741424 Tunisian_Jew
    0.07773101 Armenian
    0.08091126 Libyan_Jew
    0.08320356 Sephardic_Jew
    0.08460187 Italian_Jew
    0.08483319 Yemenite_Amran

    Distance to: Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA:ASH29
    0.03902659 Samaritan
    0.05311895 Lebanese_Christian
    0.05718379 Karaite_Egypt
    0.05787071 Druze
    0.05881024 Lebanese_Druze
    0.05903051 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.05977731 Iraqi_Jew
    0.06220217 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.06351634 Syrian_Jew
    0.06511866 Palestinian
    0.06705579 Jordanian
    0.06722402 Cypriot
    0.06821058 Libyan_Jew
    0.06823744 Tunisian_Jew
    0.07102095 Syrian
    0.07159005 Iranian_Jew
    0.07351222 Romaniote_Jew
    0.07673482 Sephardic_Jew
    0.07866343 BedouinA
    0.07946956 Italian_Jew
    0.07971456 Assyrian
    0.08054435 Yemenite_Amran
    0.08056791 Moroccan_Jew
    0.08063019 Georgian_Jew
    0.08199219 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya

    Distance to: Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8
    0.03108948 Samaritan
    0.03732040 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.03854091 Lebanese_Christian
    0.03893243 Iraqi_Jew
    0.04323294 Lebanese_Druze
    0.04368716 Druze
    0.04726227 Karaite_Egypt
    0.04845336 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.05188027 Iranian_Jew
    0.05365409 Palestinian
    0.05409744 Jordanian
    0.05623972 Syrian
    0.05745467 Syrian_Jew
    0.05849915 Cypriot
    0.06081710 Georgian_Jew
    0.06104903 Assyrian
    0.06260567 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
    0.06783805 BedouinA
    0.06857061 Tunisian_Jew
    0.06905735 Armenian
    0.06944052 Libyan_Jew
    0.07139282 Yemenite_Amran
    0.07154878 Romaniote_Jew
    0.07609934 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07945248 Sephardic_Jew

    Distance to: Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH135
    0.06165319 Samaritan
    0.06319670 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.06479413 Lebanese_Christian
    0.06652262 Palestinian
    0.06735568 Jordanian
    0.07146804 Karaite_Egypt
    0.07182472 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.07204147 Lebanese_Druze
    0.07248570 Druze
    0.07258216 BedouinA
    0.07445314 Libyan_Jew
    0.07541236 Tunisian_Jew
    0.07722911 Syrian_Jew
    0.07800403 Cypriot
    0.07810854 Yemenite_Amran
    0.07868556 Iraqi_Jew
    0.08006557 Syrian
    0.08092674 Romaniote_Jew
    0.08598726 Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.08672562 Moroccan_Jew
    0.08766790 Yemenite_Jew
    0.08846975 Yemenite_Ma'rib
    0.08995952 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    0.09058785 Italian_Jew
    0.09090698 Sephardic_Jew

    Distance to: Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH087
    0.04772660 Samaritan
    0.04942336 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.05374069 Lebanese_Christian
    0.06246805 Druze
    0.06305633 Lebanese_Druze
    0.06618210 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.06698483 Jordanian
    0.06724821 Palestinian
    0.06784436 Karaite_Egypt
    0.06870665 Iraqi_Jew
    0.06899606 Cypriot
    0.07191410 Tunisian_Jew
    0.07378935 Syrian_Jew
    0.07383522 Yemenite_Amran
    0.07467188 Libyan_Jew
    0.07573245 Syrian
    0.07682190 BedouinA
    0.07742955 Romaniote_Jew
    0.07979841 Iranian_Jew
    0.08439204 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
    0.08540790 Yemenite_Jew
    0.08561070 Georgian_Jew
    0.08601397 Sephardic_Jew
    0.08633798 Yemenite_Dhamar
    0.08643459 Assyrian


    Levant bronze age is typical cannanite tribes.Kingdoms existed only at the region of modern Syria with east semites forming:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamhad
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebla
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari,_Syria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatna

    Later some of them have become northwest cannanite speakers.


    During IA we have the ethnogenesis of Jews,Samaritans,Israelites.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdo...rael_(Samaria)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdo...ited_monarchy)

    The samples from BA and IA coming from southern levant.I would like to see samples from east semitic speakers like akkadians for example.I don't believe they would have been very different but you never know.The might have been slightly more west asian/anatolian admixed?Who knows.But samples from Ashkelon are almost identical to Samaritans.
    Last edited by Johnny ola; 04-27-2020 at 11:03 PM.

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