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    Quote Originally Posted by misnomer View Post
    These Ukr_N samples are probably not adjusted for reservoir effect. Check Reich anno file. from Mathieson 2018, Srb_iron_gates and romania_iron gates dates are all adjusted for reservoir effect and clearly mentioned in the file. Not so for any of the Ukr_N samples.

    Given that all these sites are right on the bank of Dnieper, they should have high % of freshwater fish in diet. If diet consists 70% fish (like for steppe eneolithic), reservoir effect will bring date down by 700 odd years as per Cook et al 2002. So these Ukr_N samples might actually belong to 4500bce.
    That Khvalnysk outlier has WSHG admixture, Steppe Eneolithic definitely needs Sarazm or something Sarazm like, so it would harbor WSHG but by Afanasievo it vanishes on Nmonte , does it show up on qpAdm??

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    That Khvalnysk outlier has WSHG admixture, Steppe Eneolithic definitely needs Sarazm or something Sarazm like, so it would harbor WSHG but by Afanasievo it vanishes on Nmonte , does it show up on qpAdm??
    havent studied afanasievo deeply. sorry. isnt it formed from steppe_en as well? we do find some turan ancestry in 2500bce chemurchek.

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    Btw I3715 is not far behind I1738:

    left pops:
    Ukraine_N_admix_I3715
    Steppe_Eneolithic_progress2
    Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG
    Ukraine_Meso

    best coefficients: 0.159 0.325 0.516
    Jackknife mean: 0.159602844 0.325112006 0.515285149
    std. errors: 0.042 0.037 0.065

    fixed pat wt dof chisq tail prob
    000 0 10 5.339 0.867434 0.159 0.325 0.516

    (right pops:
    LaBrana
    Karelia_HG
    Israel_PPNB
    Tyumen
    LapaDoSanto
    Ganj_Dareh
    Taforalt
    Pinarbasi
    Shum_Laka
    Ust_Ishim_HG_published.DG
    WHG_Losch
    Georgia_Kotias.SG
    Georgia_Satsurblia.SG
    numsnps used: 1150475)

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/...202767874?s=20

    My take on its autosomal profile: it will be like Suvorovo

    EEF 60%
    Steppe Eneolithic 40%
    Please see also:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    I looked at several of those samples: I3719, I2786 and Bul6 seem to be L701, I2426 has awful coverage so nothing reliable could be found, I2181 has one derived SNP at M269 level (PF6452+), but it's a G>A transition covered with only one read, so most likely aDNA damage. Hungary_BB I2741 is I2-L158.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Btw I3715 is not far behind I1738:

    left pops:
    Ukraine_N_admix_I3715
    Steppe_Eneolithic_progress2
    Serbia_Iron_Gates_HG
    Ukraine_Meso

    best coefficients: 0.159 0.325 0.516
    Jackknife mean: 0.159602844 0.325112006 0.515285149
    std. errors: 0.042 0.037 0.065

    fixed pat wt dof chisq tail prob
    000 0 10 5.339 0.867434 0.159 0.325 0.516

    (right pops:
    LaBrana
    Karelia_HG
    Israel_PPNB
    Tyumen
    LapaDoSanto
    Ganj_Dareh
    Taforalt
    Pinarbasi
    Shum_Laka
    Ust_Ishim_HG_published.DG
    WHG_Losch
    Georgia_Kotias.SG
    Georgia_Satsurblia.SG
    numsnps used: 1150475)

    My feeling is that Generalissimo has put a nail on something important.
    It is faaarr more pervasive.

    IronGates_Meso2
    "Croatia_Meso" 34.2
    "Lithuania_Meso" 27.65
    "Villabruna" 18
    "Steppe_Piedmont_Eneolithic" 14
    "Karelia_HG" 4
    "Italy_GrottaContinenza_Meso.SG" 2.15
    "distance%=0.296 / distance=0.00296"

    IronGates_Meso3
    "Villabruna" 47.95
    "Croatia_Meso" 19.15
    "Steppe_Piedmont_Eneolithic" 17.05
    "Karelia_HG" 9.2
    "Italy_GrottaContinenza_Meso.SG" 6.65
    "distance%=0.2708 / distance=0.002708"

    Ukraine_NHG
    "Steppe_Piedmont_Eneolithic" 22.9
    "Villabruna" 20.6
    "Lithuania_Meso" 20.35
    "West_Siberia_NHG" 18.85
    "Karelia_HG" 10.9
    "Croatia_Meso" 6
    "MotaX5" 0.4
    "distance%=0.2819 / distance=0.002819"

    Columns:,Iran_GanjDareh_N,CHG.SG,Taforalt,Vanuatu_ ancient,PrimorskyKrai_Boisman_MN,Peru_Laramate_900 BP,MA1.SG,Yana_UP.SG,GoyetQ116_1,Gravettian,Sunghi r.SG,Kostenki14,Ust_Ishim.DG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    It is faaarr more pervasive.

    IronGates_Meso2
    "Croatia_Meso" 34.2
    "Lithuania_Meso" 27.65
    "Villabruna" 18
    "Steppe_Piedmont_Eneolithic" 14
    "Karelia_HG" 4
    "Italy_GrottaContinenza_Meso.SG" 2.15
    "distance%=0.296 / distance=0.00296"

    IronGates_Meso3
    "Villabruna" 47.95
    "Croatia_Meso" 19.15
    "Steppe_Piedmont_Eneolithic" 17.05
    "Karelia_HG" 9.2
    "Italy_GrottaContinenza_Meso.SG" 6.65
    "distance%=0.2708 / distance=0.002708"

    Ukraine_NHG
    "Steppe_Piedmont_Eneolithic" 22.9
    "Villabruna" 20.6
    "Lithuania_Meso" 20.35
    "West_Siberia_NHG" 18.85
    "Karelia_HG" 10.9
    "Croatia_Meso" 6
    "MotaX5" 0.4
    "distance%=0.2819 / distance=0.002819"

    Columns:,Iran_GanjDareh_N,CHG.SG,Taforalt,Vanuatu_ ancient,PrimorskyKrai_Boisman_MN,Peru_Laramate_900 BP,MA1.SG,Yana_UP.SG,GoyetQ116_1,Gravettian,Sunghi r.SG,Kostenki14,Ust_Ishim.DG
    some even more pervasive. FWIW
    UA_Neo2-e1547024678398.jpg

    Ukraine mesolithic is nearly half Iron Gates
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    I was more interested in the Piedmont-like ancestry showing up in WHG. Looks like CHG is pervasive in small quantities amongst the Ukraine_NHG in your image also, good corroboration of methods.
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