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    E-M96 aDNA and Egyptian mummies

    In couple of messages I posted about DNA tests of Egyptian mummies from the Pushkin Museum and Ramesses III

    One of two mummies from Pushkin museum was E-Y32576, but with no info about personal data.
    Most news stories overhyped only mummy of Khor-Aha.
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    So for E-Y32576 we have two candidates Shepsj-pu-Min or Hor-Kha.

    In the case of E-V22/ E-Y32576 I would bet on Shepsj-pu-Min. Why?
    Because he obviously lived in Akhmim, Upper Egypt, that's close and has more acces to E-V22 hotspots in the Western Dessert and Nubia/Punt etc.
    But I could be wrong...

    Shepsj-pu-Min has something artistic by the way, he made a table dedicated to his mother, he displays her smelling a Lotus-flower. Not much seen at that time in history:

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    Bluish amazing. An autosomal extraction would be so awesome as well if only.

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    Cool, finally real Egyptian Y-DNA gets published.

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    If it was Hor-Kha we can attribute Y-DNA of First dynasty et al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    In couple of messages I posted about DNA tests of Egyptian mummies from the Pushkin Museum and Ramesses III

    One of two mummies from Pushkin museum was E-Y32576, but with no info about personal data.
    Most news stories overhyped only mummy of Khor-Aha.

    Farroukh we can delete Hor-KA, it was a woman so no Y-DNA:
    ANTHROPOLOGICAL STUDY OF THE MUMMY OF HOR-KHA (Inv.No.I,1a 5301) BASED ON COMPUTED TOMOGRAPHY IMAGESFigure 1 shows as an example a reconstruction of completely bandaged mummy of Hor-Kha. Mummy’sarms are crossed on the breast, and the left hand is balled into a fist. The cavities of the body and scull arefilled with a solidified solution. Tissue bundles can beseen within the body.The anthropological analysis based on CT datarevealed mummy’s gender and age. Its sex assignment was mainly determined from the morphology of pelvic bones and scull relief development; these features sug-gested that the sample studied is a female mummy.
    https://www.academia.edu/37446247/In...tov_Institute_

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    I did some close reading and fine listening (long live the you tube under titling) and I took some screenshots that I translated.

    I guess this frame work is important, there are nine mummies researched that belonged to the Pushkin collection, they fall into the following time reach 1st mill. BCE to the I–III centuries CE, in other words between 1000 BC and 300 AD or 3000 BP and 1700 BP.

    That's the Third Intermediate, wiki:
    The Third Intermediate Period of Ancient Egypt began with the death of Pharaoh Ramesses XI in 1070 BC, which ended the New Kingdom, and was eventually followed by the Late Period. Various points are offered as the beginning for the latter era, though it is most often regarded as dating from the foundation of the Twenty-Sixth Dynasty by Psamtik I in 664 BC, following the expulsion of the Nubian Kushite rulers of the Twenty-fifth Dynasty by the Assyrians under King Assurbanipal. The concept of a "Third Intermediate Period" was coined in 1978 by British Egyptologist Kenneth Kitchen.[1]
    And the Late Period and finally the Hellenistic Period:
    The Late Period of ancient Egypt refers to the last flowering of native Egyptian rulers after the Third Intermediate Period in the 26th Saite Dynasty founded by Psamtik I, but includes the time of Achaemenid Persian rule over Egypt after the conquest by Cambyses II in 525 BC as well. The Late Period existed from 664 BC until 332 BC, following a period of foreign rule by the Nubian 25th dynasty and beginning with a short period of Neo-Assyrian suzerainty, with Psamtik I initially ruling as their vassal. The period ended with the conquests of the Persian Empire by Alexander the Great and establishment of the Ptolemaic dynasty by his general Ptolemy I Soter, one of the Hellenistic diadochi from Macedon in northern Greece. With the Macedonian Greek conquest in the latter half of the 4th century BC, the age of Hellenistic Egypt began.Libyans and Persians alternated rule with native Egyptians, but traditional conventions continued in the arts

    These nine mummies are listed as follows:



    Important is that the documentary mentions that:
    • 4 are men 5 are women
    • in 3 cases the sex of mummies varied from museum list
    add about the sex of the mummies, Hor-Kha seems to be one of them. So regarding the names I guess it will stay unfortunately mister X...
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    It is amazing why they did not publish the names (or another identification nicks) of tested mummies. As it seems to me, if there is a pharaoh's DNA mass media will turn it into sensation. Probably, tested persons are not "VIP of Ancient Egypt"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    It is amazing why they did not publish the names (or another identification nicks) of tested mummies. As it seems to me, if there is a pharaoh's DNA mass media will turn it into sensation. Probably, tested persons are not "VIP of Ancient Egypt"
    I guess most of them are not known by names. And some of them like 'lady Tashat' turned out to be a man

    We are definitely dealing with the highest ranks in the old Egyptian society but not the one and only pharaohs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    It is amazing why they did not publish the names (or another identification nicks) of tested mummies. As it seems to me, if there is a pharaoh's DNA mass media will turn it into sensation. Probably, tested persons are not "VIP of Ancient Egypt"
    But I agree with you they could give more context. There most be a story behind every mummy.
    There is a remark in a Unesco paper (about the Egypt collections) about it:

    Al the ancient Egyptian items in Soviet museums were listed in the Register, with the exception of the Egyptian collections at the A.S.Pushkin State Museum of FineArts (Moscow) and the State Hermitage Museum (StPetersburg).These collections are so vast that they require a special separate catalogue for each section.

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