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    I've looked through my genome and I strangely do not carry any red hair risk alleles. Strangely because one of my great-grandparents was ginger and another was auburn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mildlycurly View Post
    I've looked through my genome and I strangely do not carry any red hair risk alleles. Strangely because one of my great-grandparents was ginger and another was auburn!
    Of course, a lot depends on whether they were carriers of two copies apiece, just one apiece, or if one had two copies and the other just one, and whether or not any of your other great grandparents were carriers. If my reasoning is right, given that most of us have eight great grandparents, that gives you at least a 12.5% chance of having a red hair variant (that's if both those great grandparents had just one copy and if none of your other great grandparents had one).

    Of course, if that was the case, it means there was an 87.5% chance you wouldn't have a red hair variant.

    We'd have to know the red hair variant status of all eight of your great grandparents to know what the actual odds were, however.

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    Other than Europeans, do the Uyghur people of Xin Jiang Province have red hair? I heard that their ancestors were the Tocharians in ancient times in China. Studies have revealed Mummies with red hair buried in the Xin Jiang Province in China.
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    I read somewhere that a lot of corpses look like their former occupants had red hair when they were alive, but that’s not the case. Some kind of bleaching out occurs after death that turns hair red looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    rs1805006 - the one Motala 3 was ancestral for - is Asp84Glu (D84E). I have him as derived for rs1110400: Ile155Thr (I155T).
    I guess he found out that tomorrow doesn't belong to him?
    Anyway, seems we're looking more towards "European Russia" of the 4th-3rd millennium BC, or whatever people want to call it. Pops up among Andronovo AND Samara, if I can find the refs. So both ways on, from PC Steppe.
    Don't care THAT much, it's just that it's a pretty good trace on the trail of whatever the hell was going on back then, being so flagrant and undeniable and all. Ginger mummies FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I read somewhere that a lot of corpses look like their former occupants had red hair when they were alive, but that’s not the case. Some kind of bleaching out occurs after death that turns hair red looking.
    Aye man. One of the grossest/greatest "must-see" cases in the BM London is "Ginger". Some poor peasanty sod who went to his eternal rest in the mid-4th millennium BC with the expectation of oblivion.
    I first saw him in the mid-60s, being urged around the cases by a fanatical aged aunt. Didn't like his bum being up in the air (heaps of hot sand removed), and even then suspected (skool chemistry) his noggin had received the ravages of Time, and Bases. There were no ginger Egyptians. Of that period.
    Which gives the lie to those "Tocharian" Taklamakan desert dead folk sunk in (very salty, dry) pits. Only proper aDNA from behind their ears will sort it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradly88 View Post
    Other than Europeans, do the Uyghur people of Xin Jiang Province have red hair? I heard that their ancestors were the Tocharians in ancient times in China. Studies have revealed Mummies with red hair buried in the Xin Jiang Province in China.
    I forget which one it is, but there is actually a red hair variant that prevails in East Asia. One occasionally sees a red-haired East Asian, but I have noticed far more frequently East Asian girls with red highlights in their otherwise dark hair, which one can see when the sun shines on them.

    I don't know how common red hair or red hair variants is among the Uighurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I forget which one it is, but there is actually a red hair variant that prevails in East Asia. One occasionally sees a red-haired East Asian, but I have noticed far more frequently East Asian girls with red highlights in their otherwise dark hair, which one can see when the sun shines on them.

    I don't know how common red hair or red hair variants is among the Uighurs.
    Do you mean Val92Met?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    I don't remember. The 1,000 Genomes Project has blurbs about a number of the variants. Pretty sure I read about it there, but I don't feel like hunting it up again.

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    Here's something interesting from this old post:

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    The Big 4(or 5): All studies found that of MCR1 variants R151C(T in rs1805007), R160W(T in rs1805008), and D294H(A in rs1805009) can explain most Red Hair. The study on Danish also ranked D84C(T in rs1805006) as being very correlated with Red Hair.

    All samples from all studies I've read so far with a derived allele in 2/4 of those SNPs had Red Hair, and all with two derived alleles in 1/4 of those SNPs had Red Hair. 91.5% of RedHeads(78 of 85) have at least one of those four variants. Many people with one of those variants don't have Red Hair. Of 10 Irish males with non-Red head hair and Red Facial hair, 3(30%) had one of the 3 big variants(R151C, R160W, D294H).

    There are a bunch of Polish Redheads in this Hirisplex study. Of the Total RedHeads(From Ireland and Poland) 23/25 were predicted to have red hair. All were probably double carriers of the big 4, or more minor Red hair variants. 24/25 had one of the big 4 Red hair variants. One didn't have any variants. A Small number of non-Red Haired people in that study appear to have been double-carriers of a major Red Hair variant(big 4) and a minor one. They might have been double carriers of two of the Big 4. So, Red hair in Poland is probably caused by the same variants as Red Hair in Ireland and Denmark.
    This post addresses the red hair in East Asians question somewhat with a couple of maps, and this one mentions that D294H (C in rs1805009) has been found among the Uighurs.
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