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  1. #201
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    I have some more results:

    Sparta, Laconia - R-L23
    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - J-M267
    Sparta, Laconia - J-M172
    Sparta, Laconia - I-CTS5966
    Sparta, Laconia - R-CTS1843
    Aigaelia, Patras - E-V13
    Tegea, Arcadia - E-V13
    Megalopolis, Arcadia - E-V13
    Megalopolis, Arcadia - I-Z17855
    Megalopolis, Arcadia - J-Z631
    Corinth, Corinthia - R-L21
    Corinth, Corinthia - R-CTS241
    Kalamata, Messenia - E-V13
    Kalamata, Messenia - J-L283
    Pylos-Nestoras, Messenia - E-V13
    Peloponnese - E-V13
    Peloponnese - E-L677
    Peloponnese - I-M423

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    I have some more results:

    Sparta, Laconia - R-L23
    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - J-M267
    Sparta, Laconia - J-M172
    Sparta, Laconia - I-CTS5966
    Sparta, Laconia - R-CTS1843
    Aigaelia, Patras - E-V13
    Tegea, Arcadia - E-V13
    Megalopolis, Arcadia - E-V13
    Megalopolis, Arcadia - I-Z17855
    Megalopolis, Arcadia - J-Z631
    Corinth, Corinthia - R-L21
    Corinth, Corinthia - R-CTS241
    Kalamata, Messenia - E-V13
    Kalamata, Messenia - J-L283
    Pylos-Nestoras, Messenia - E-V13
    Peloponnese - E-V13
    Peloponnese - E-L677
    Peloponnese - I-M423
    I would really like to see more high resolution testing for the E-V13's. We know there is a lot of E-V13 in Greece, but its the subclades which are the most interesting part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    I would really like to see more high resolution testing for the E-V13's. We know there is a lot of E-V13 in Greece, but its the subclades which are the most interesting part.
    Me too. Unfortunately, these were all taken from my father's relatives on 23andme, which doesnt give detailed Y dna info.

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    Some more results:

    Sparta, Laconia - E-V13
    Kalamata, Messenia - J2a-L26
    Charakopio, Messenia - E-V13
    Sparta, Laconia - J-L283
    Gytheio, Laconia - R1b-L23

    This brings the number of total samples to 187. We now see our first R1b from Mani and J-L283 from Sparta, respectively.

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    Another result from Mani!

    Laconian Mani - G-Z29424

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Another result from Mani!

    Laconian Mani - G-Z29424
    No recent J2a results from Mani eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    No recent J2a results from Mani eh?

    Nope, nothing new in that department.

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    I'm predicted for G2a - L1259 based on the Morley and YSeq Cladefinder tools. Grandpa's from Laconia.

    Also, it shows a bunch of negative SNP calls for the L30 clade but I'm not sure if that means I *must* belong to the other clade (PF3147?)

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    A few more Maniots who are relatives of my maternal first cousin on 23andme.
    Right hand side is Y chromosome, left hand side is mtDNA. I have not included the mtDNA in the cases where the mother is not Maniot:

    "Mani" - R-L2/H12
    "Mani" - E-V13/L3b1a2
    "Mani" - E-V13/H (same surname as above)
    "Mani" - E-V13
    Gutheio - J2a-L26/Η7
    Kardamyli - J-M172

    All of these Maniots list Mani as their origin, and all have surnames ending in -eas/-akos. The guy with mtDNA L scores zero SSA. I have seen R-L2 only in a relative of mine from Arcadia, and from a Vlach from Trikala. Any ideas how it got to Greece? Celts/Goths/Slavs? Although one unpublished Mycenaean sample is supposed to be R1b-U106, which is super strange.

    A couple of other really strange Peloponnesians, which I thought should be mentioned here:

    1) Meligalas, Messinia - L-M22/H5'36

    This guy has an extremely rare surname, found only in a few individuals in Messinia and Laconia, and many people in Euboea, so it could ultimately originate from there. No unusual autosomal, at least as indicated by 23andme.

    2) Astros (P), Vervena (M), Arcadia - E-M183/D4

    This chap also has a very unique surname (Greek etymologically), which is found overwhelmingly in Astros, so it could be Tsakonian in origin. Interesting that the mother is also from Kynouria. Is his paternal origin somehow North African? Mother probably came with the Slavs/Avars.
    distance: 1.656775
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.8
    Early Slavic: 24.5
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 12.7
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 10.2
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 1.7
    MAR_Taforalt: 0.8
    CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA: 0.7
    Yoruba: 0.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXD View Post
    A few more Maniots who are relatives of my maternal first cousin on 23andme.
    Right hand side is Y chromosome, left hand side is mtDNA. I have not included the mtDNA in the cases where the mother is not Maniot:

    "Mani" - R-L2/H12
    "Mani" - E-V13/L3b1a2
    "Mani" - E-V13/H (same surname as above)
    "Mani" - E-V13
    Gutheio - J2a-L26/Η7
    Kardamyli - J-M172

    All of these Maniots list Mani as their origin, and all have surnames ending in -eas/-akos. The guy with mtDNA L scores zero SSA. I have seen R-L2 only in a relative of mine from Arcadia, and from a Vlach from Trikala. Any ideas how it got to Greece? Celts/Goths/Slavs? Although one unpublished Mycenaean sample is supposed to be R1b-U106, which is super strange.

    A couple of other really strange Peloponnesians, which I thought should be mentioned here:

    1) Meligalas, Messinia - L-M22/H5'36

    This guy has an extremely rare surname, found only in a few individuals in Messinia and Laconia, and many people in Euboea, so it could ultimately originate from there. No unusual autosomal, at least as indicated by 23andme.

    2) Astros (P), Vervena (M), Arcadia - E-M183/D4

    This chap also has a very unique surname (Greek etymologically), which is found overwhelmingly in Astros, so it could be Tsakonian in origin. Interesting that the mother is also from Kynouria. Is his paternal origin somehow North African? Mother probably came with the Slavs/Avars.
    Mind pming me their surnames so that I can see if I already have them counted?

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