L51 into Europe West of the Steppe Via Corded Ware

[MitchellSince1893]

Where's the data?

Direct link
https://reichdata.hms.harvard.edu/pu...0K_public.anno

Or go to

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/allen-...cient-dna-data

Scroll down to
Description .anno
and click that 3.8Mb 1240k "link"

Specific line item for my U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150,Z12222 branch was
line item 206

206 I7202 I7202 Grave 94 petrous 2018 OlaldeNature2018 Pinhasi, Ron Context: Archaeological period 4250 289 2800-1800 BCE Czech_EBA Prague 5, Jinonice, Zahradnictví Czech Republic 50.0504153 14.3667267 1240K 1 0.861185 547724 .. M Czech Republic, Prague 5, Jinonice Family C (2 members) (I7202-I15824 have a 2d or 3d relationship) R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1b2a 110 U5a1a2b .. .. [0.986,0.998] 0.136 0.439 1045 0.00824 2.328662443 [0.001,0.015] -0.015 0.009 None [0,0.003] ds.half S7202.E1.L1 QUESTIONABLE (extraction.negative.flag)

On ISOGG version 2020, this sample (R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1b2a) is on Z150,Z12222>L654>S42 branch, which is a brother branch to my Z150,Z12222>FGC12378, and is the equivalent to

Yfull.com Z150, Z12222>Y30459>S42
Ytree.net Z150,Z12222>BY1701>BY1542>A6296
On FTDNA's tree, I don't see this branch below Z150,Z12222

I checked the ISOGG version used by this database.

Updated in this release:
• Improvements in the date column, including calibrations updated to IntCal20/SHCal20,
• Y haplogroup calls have been updated to use the YFull tree and off-target reads, given in two fields (i) Y haplogroup in terminal mutation notation, (ii) Y haplogroup in ISOGG v15.73 notation,

Version: 15.73, is the latest/same version found here
https://isogg.org/tree/index.html

For the rest of you, sorry for the temporary U152 tangent. I'll take this to PM if Rocca has any more questions.

[Webb]

A follow up question to my first question on the U152 thread, what do you use to open a .anno file? Thanks.

[MitchellSince1893]

A follow up question to my first question on the U152 thread, what do you use to open a .anno file? Thanks.

I haven’t found a good solution for that. It can be viewed in notepad or excel but it’s a mess. Excel was a little more manageable. Just realize that each sample starts with a number., starting with 1. Do a search for control F to find all the
R1b1a1b1a1a2a aka DF27

[altvred]

A follow up question to my first question on the U152 thread, what do you use to open a .anno file? Thanks.

If you're just interested in the Y hg assignment for a sample, the anno file has several useless columns that can take forever to load.
I've trimmed some of these columns in Excel and uploaded the file to Google Sheets. Hopefully, that will make searching for the Y haplogroups a bit easier.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

[TigerMW]

I haven’t found a good solution for that. It can be viewed in notepad or excel but it’s a mess. Excel was a little more manageable. Just realize that each sample starts with a number., starting with 1. Do a search for control F to find all the
R1b1a1b1a1a2a aka DF27

I do the Excel but end up hiding some columns, resizing some, adding a short (SNP) name bread crumb trail type label column, sorting by age descending, adding column heading autofiltering and then selecting for just R1b.
I know that's not for every one, but I think I will automate this and create both an Excel and .PDF form that I'll link to from the R1b project - a lay person's version although even that is questionable.
By the way, there's other good stuff for people who join that project. It's like a elite reward winners club. (There! - my advertisement, LOL)

[Webb]

Direct link
https://reichdata.hms.harvard.edu/pu...0K_public.anno

Or go to

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/allen-...cient-dna-data

Scroll down to
Description .anno
and click that 3.8Mb 1240k "link"

Specific line item for my U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150,Z12222 branch was
line item 206


On ISOGG version 2020, this sample (R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1b2a) is on Z150,Z12222>L654>S42 branch, which is a brother branch to my Z150,Z12222>FGC12378, and is the equivalent to

Yfull.com Z150, Z12222>Y30459>S42
Ytree.net Z150,Z12222>BY1701>BY1542>A6296
On FTDNA's tree, I don't see this branch below Z150,Z12222

I checked the ISOGG version used by this database.


Version: 15.73, is the latest/same version found here
https://isogg.org/tree/index.html

For the rest of you, sorry for the temporary U152 tangent. I'll take this to PM if Rocca has any more questions.

How trustworthy are the Ydna calls in these files? I ask because I have found some contradictory calls between this .anno file and previous calls made when the papers first came out. An example is sample:

MX254, 2250-1650 BCE, Singen, Southern Germany. This sample was originally called as R-L2, but according to this file, this sample is DF27, or R1b1a1b1a1a2a. Thanks.

[TigerMW]

How trustworthy are the Ydna calls in these files? I ask because I have found some contradictory calls between this .anno file and previous calls made when the papers first came out. An example is sample:

MX254, 2250-1650 BCE, Singen, Southern Germany. This sample was originally called as R-L2, but according to this file, this sample is DF27, or R1b1a1b1a1a2a. Thanks.

The Reich's Allen Ancient DNA Resource is intended to be the culmination of the latest and best interpretations of the test results. From my perspective it is best we've got and something the scientists made a great leap forward because... they are sharing the data centrally and "peer reviewing" and updating it in real time.

This does not just include the variant calls but also updates to the radio-carbon dating, cultural settings, etc.

It will never be perfect but this is the right thing for them to do. I guess its the greatest thing since sliced bread!

[MitchellSince1893]

How trustworthy are the Ydna calls in these files? I ask because I have found some contradictory calls between this .anno file and previous calls made when the papers first came out. An example is sample:

MX254, 2250-1650 BCE, Singen, Southern Germany. This sample was originally called as R-L2, but according to this file, this sample is DF27, or R1b1a1b1a1a2a. Thanks.

I have no idea as to the reliability of these calls. Rocca, generalissimo and other big brains may be able to facilitate.

Edit: I see Tiger already addressed above my post

[Webb]

There are three other samples that are even more interesting than this sample, and may be pertinent to this thread.

Entry: 15062 Hugo 180SK1. 2457-2209BCE. Augsburg, Germany. DF27

Entry: 1381. Rise560. 2500-2200BCE. Augsburg, Germany. L21>Z16343

Entry: 5645. Rise926. 2500-2000BCE. Irlbach LKR. L238

[MitchellSince1893]

Here’s an interesting one
P312 in Sicily ~2674 BC +/- 198 years

I11443 BU32 2872-2476 calBCE (4090±60 BP, OxA-32773)
Italy_Sicily_EBA_o2
R1b1a1b1a1a2

The Italian Refugium lives! Or is it Island hopping from the Black Sea to French Riviera?