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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Tbh all of the SSA ancestry seems to be at noise levels.I get similar percentages of Oceanian/East Asian ancestry
    Interesting. How does this tie into all the Ashkenazi matches that share an East African segment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    Interesting. How does this tie into all the Ashkenazi matches that share an East African segment.
    I don't think Askhenazis have East African ancestry or SSA ancestry at all besides whatever is embedded in the Taforalt which they probably got from the Berbers of NW Africa

    Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    Distance: 1.8689% / 0.01868871
    45.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    27.0 Steppe
    11.0 Levant_Natufian
    7.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    7.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 East_Asian
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
    Distance: 1.6895% / 0.01689488
    42.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.4 Steppe
    12.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    9.8 Levant_Natufian
    6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 East_Asian
    1.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
    Distance: 1.8511% / 0.01851105
    42.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.0 Steppe
    12.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    11.6 Levant_Natufian
    7.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.0 East_Asian
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    Distance: 1.6101% / 0.01610090
    44.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.2 Steppe
    11.0 Levant_Natufian
    9.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    1.4 East_Asian
    0.8 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
    Distance: 1.3761% / 0.01376077
    42.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    20.4 Steppe
    14.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    13.2 Levant_Natufian
    8.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    Distance: 1.3866% / 0.01386610
    43.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.0 Steppe
    11.6 Levant_Natufian
    9.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    7.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 East_Asian
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

     
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    Palestinians in comparison with the same source samples
     
    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00690
    Distance: 2.4666% / 0.02466645
    31.0 Levant_Natufian
    25.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    19.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    3.8 Steppe
    2.4 Dinka
    0.8 Yoruba

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00689
    Distance: 3.2909% / 0.03290924
    34.2 Levant_Natufian
    31.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    3.6 Steppe
    2.6 Yoruba
    0.4 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00688
    Distance: 2.9534% / 0.02953435
    28.6 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    25.6 Levant_Natufian
    17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    7.8 Steppe
    2.8 Yoruba
    1.0 Dinka
    0.4 East_Asian

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00685
    Distance: 2.9052% / 0.02905172
    36.8 Levant_Natufian
    31.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    5.4 Yoruba
    1.4 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00684
    Distance: 3.4337% / 0.03433712
    43.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    39.4 Levant_Natufian
    13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 Steppe
    1.2 Yoruba
    1.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    0.8 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00683
    Distance: 2.7625% / 0.02762549
    43.6 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    34.2 Levant_Natufian
    15.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.4 Yoruba
    1.4 Steppe
    0.8 Dinka
    0.4 East_Asian

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00679
    Distance: 3.4422% / 0.03442238
    43.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    36.4 Levant_Natufian
    16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.4 Steppe
    1.4 Dinka
    0.4 Yoruba

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00677
    Distance: 2.6854% / 0.02685382
    27.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.2 Levant_Natufian
    22.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    4.4 Steppe
    2.8 Yoruba
    1.2 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00676
    Distance: 2.7451% / 0.02745122
    32.6 Levant_Natufian
    23.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    19.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    4.2 Steppe
    1.4 Dinka
    1.4 Yoruba
    0.2 East_Asian

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00675
    Distance: 3.3185% / 0.03318498
    52.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    29.8 Levant_Natufian
    12.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.6 Dinka
    2.2 Steppe
    1.4 Yoruba
    Last edited by drobbah; 05-20-2020 at 12:10 PM.
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    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 1.2698% / 0.01269848 | ADC: 0.25x
    31.0 KEN_Pastoral_N
    26.4 KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan
    18.4 TZA_PN
    12.0 KEN_HyraxHill_2300BP
    10.6 KEN_Pastoral_IA

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    Distance: 2.9294% / 0.02929438
    54.8 Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2
    14.6 MNG_Xiongnu_East_Asian
    11.0 ROU_BA

    10.4 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    5.4 Yoruba
    2.0 MAR_EN
    1.6 ETH_4500BP
    0.2 Dinka
    0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.0 MAR_Taforalt
    0.0 Levant_Natufian

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    I don't think Askhenazis have East African ancestry or SSA ancestry at all besides whatever is embedded in the Taforalt which they probably got from the Berbers of NW Africa

    Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    Distance: 1.8689% / 0.01868871
    45.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    27.0 Steppe
    11.0 Levant_Natufian
    7.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    7.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 East_Asian
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
    Distance: 1.6895% / 0.01689488
    42.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.4 Steppe
    12.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    9.8 Levant_Natufian
    6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 East_Asian
    1.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
    Distance: 1.8511% / 0.01851105
    42.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.0 Steppe
    12.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    11.6 Levant_Natufian
    7.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.0 East_Asian
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    Distance: 1.6101% / 0.01610090
    44.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.2 Steppe
    11.0 Levant_Natufian
    9.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    1.4 East_Asian
    0.8 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
    Distance: 1.3761% / 0.01376077
    42.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    20.4 Steppe
    14.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    13.2 Levant_Natufian
    8.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    Distance: 1.3866% / 0.01386610
    43.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.0 Steppe
    11.6 Levant_Natufian
    9.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    7.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 East_Asian
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

     
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    East_Asian:HGDP00747,0.023903,-0.44988,0.013953,-0.059432,0.03693,0.006972,0.00752,0.005769,-0.002659,0.008747,-0.074049,-0.007194,0.011001,-0.014313,-0.011536,-0.006497,-0.001304,0.00152,0.005531,-0.007629,0.019216,-0.020526,0.003944,0.006386,-0.044667
    East_Asian:HGDP00748,0.023903,-0.44988,0.012822,-0.064923,0.034468,0.011156,-0.00376,0.000462,-0.008999,0.011116,-0.078596,-0.007044,0.009812,-0.001514,-0.012215,-0.005569,0.002868,0.001014,0.00088,-0.012881,0.024706,-0.007543,0.00419,0.003856,-0.044547
    East_Asian:HGDP00749,0.020488,-0.446833,0.014331,-0.055556,0.034776,0.014223,0.00282,-0.000462,-0.003681,0.010205,-0.073075,-0.008542,0.013528,-0.00523,-0.010586,-0.009016,-0.001695,0.004561,-0.001634,-0.00988,0.027826,-0.024112,0.005916,-0.000361,-0.046583
    East_Asian:HGDP00750,0.021626,-0.447848,0.01961,-0.058786,0.034776,0.005578,0.006345,0.006,-0.005931,0.009476,-0.070801,-0.008393,0.01219,-0.008808,-0.008822,0.002652,-0.000391,0.003294,0.00088,-0.007754,0.027452,-0.015209,0.004437,0.005302,-0.035685
    East_Asian:HGDP00751,0.022765,-0.442771,0.006788,-0.055556,0.0437,0.01255,0.000705,-0.005077,-0.008385,0.011481,-0.071289,-0.006744,0.00773,-0.00867,-0.006379,-0.007558,0.002086,0.00152,0.000754,-0.011756,0.029822,-0.019166,0.002958,-0.000482,-0.042272
    Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
    Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246



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    Palestinians in comparison with the same source samples
     
    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00690
    Distance: 2.4666% / 0.02466645
    31.0 Levant_Natufian
    25.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    19.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    3.8 Steppe
    2.4 Dinka
    0.8 Yoruba

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00689
    Distance: 3.2909% / 0.03290924
    34.2 Levant_Natufian
    31.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    3.6 Steppe
    2.6 Yoruba
    0.4 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00688
    Distance: 2.9534% / 0.02953435
    28.6 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    25.6 Levant_Natufian
    17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    7.8 Steppe
    2.8 Yoruba
    1.0 Dinka
    0.4 East_Asian

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00685
    Distance: 2.9052% / 0.02905172
    36.8 Levant_Natufian
    31.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    5.4 Yoruba
    1.4 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00684
    Distance: 3.4337% / 0.03433712
    43.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    39.4 Levant_Natufian
    13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 Steppe
    1.2 Yoruba
    1.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    0.8 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00683
    Distance: 2.7625% / 0.02762549
    43.6 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    34.2 Levant_Natufian
    15.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.4 Yoruba
    1.4 Steppe
    0.8 Dinka
    0.4 East_Asian

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00679
    Distance: 3.4422% / 0.03442238
    43.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    36.4 Levant_Natufian
    16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.4 Steppe
    1.4 Dinka
    0.4 Yoruba

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00677
    Distance: 2.6854% / 0.02685382
    27.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.2 Levant_Natufian
    22.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    4.4 Steppe
    2.8 Yoruba
    1.2 Dinka

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00676
    Distance: 2.7451% / 0.02745122
    32.6 Levant_Natufian
    23.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    19.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    4.2 Steppe
    1.4 Dinka
    1.4 Yoruba
    0.2 East_Asian

    Target: Palestinian:HGDP00675
    Distance: 3.3185% / 0.03318498
    52.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    29.8 Levant_Natufian
    12.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.6 Dinka
    2.2 Steppe
    1.4 Yoruba
    Makes sense on the whole. It seems almost certain that there is at least a minor degree of ancient SSA embedded within the Berber ancestry common to Western Jews, and it makes sense that any population-wide SSA in Jewish populations would be ancient and embedded within other more immediate source populations. However, I'm curious about the SSA that Moorjani apparently detected in Mizrahi Jews, which would be prior to the Western Jewish diaspora and would not come through any Berber source. Have you tried running models with Iraqi Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Makes sense on the whole. It seems almost certain that there is at least a minor degree of ancient SSA embedded within the Berber ancestry common to Western Jews, and it makes sense that any population-wide SSA in Jewish populations would be ancient and embedded within other more immediate source populations. However, I'm curious about the SSA that Moorjani apparently detected in Mizrahi Jews, which would be prior to the Western Jewish diaspora and would not come through any Berber source. Have you tried running models with Iraqi Jews?
    Iraqi & Iranian Jews don't seem to have any SSA whatsoever but the NA Jews definitely do as they score both Yoruba and Taforalt.


    Iraqi & Iranian Jews
     

    Target: Iranian_Jew
    Distance: 2.7085% / 0.02708471
    58.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    24.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    14.6 Levant_Natufian
    2.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
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    Target: Iraqi_Jew
    Distance: 3.2272% / 0.03227210
    49.0 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    24.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.0 Levant_Natufian
    10.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N



    North African Jews
     
    Target: Libyan_Jew
    Distance: 1.9097% / 0.01909692
    33.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    22.6 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    17.4 Levant_Natufian
    12.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.0 Steppe
    4.8 MAR_Taforalt
    1.2 Yoruba

    Target: Moroccan_Jew
    Distance: 2.2196% / 0.02219564
    33.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.6 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    14.0 Steppe
    11.4 Levant_Natufian
    7.8 MAR_Taforalt
    7.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Tunisian_Jew
    Distance: 2.1166% / 0.02116569
    30.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    29.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    17.4 Levant_Natufian
    9.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.0 Steppe
    5.0 MAR_Taforalt
    1.0 Yoruba



    Samaritan,Syrian Jew & Karaite Egypt
     
    Target: Karaite_Egypt
    Distance: 3.0211% / 0.03021106
    53.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    21.2 Levant_Natufian
    13.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    3.2 Steppe
    1.0 Yoruba

    Target: Samaritan
    Distance: 3.5737% / 0.03573652
    39.2 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    30.0 Levant_Natufian
    16.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    14.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N


    Target: Syrian_Jew
    Distance: 2.0333% / 0.02033268
    47.4 Anatolia_Barcin_C
    17.0 Levant_Natufian
    15.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    11.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.6 Steppe
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt
    0.2 Yoruba

    Drobbah_scaled
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 1.2698% / 0.01269848 | ADC: 0.25x
    31.0 KEN_Pastoral_N
    26.4 KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan
    18.4 TZA_PN
    12.0 KEN_HyraxHill_2300BP
    10.6 KEN_Pastoral_IA

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    I'm curious where youtuber Masaman gets these percentages from. Any idea?

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    Thanks for the insight. Once again I've never looked into African genetics until this week, so much appreciated. If that's the case, is it still worth looking into this more, or am I essentially looking for nothing and I shouldn't waste any more time on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    Thanks for the insight. Once again I've never looked into African genetics until this week, so much appreciated. If that's the case, is it still worth looking into this more, or am I essentially looking for nothing and I shouldn't waste any more time on it.
    I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for. Are you just trying to make sure that the SSA is associated with your grandfather's Ashkenazi ancestry? Or are you trying to pinpoint the exact source of that ancestry within Africa?

    Also, were the numbers your posted before from the nMonte runner yours or your grandfather's?

    I don't know that you'll be able to pinpoint the source of the ancestry, but it could be fun to try. I'm not at all sure that what is detected as SSA in Moorjani's study is linked to the Northeast African (Horn of Africa pops) which shows up for Western Jews in some calculators, or if the latter is just overlap from shared Semitic ancestry. Both my mom and I often get Yemenite in certain calculators and G25 models, and I wonder whether Horn African might just be a "byproduct" of that.

    Oddly enough, the runner numbers you posted are reminiscent of my dad's. Both he and I tend to get tiny Horn African percentages in G25, and my dad also gets around 1-2% of some Arabian population (usually Yemeni), even though his known ancestry is almost entirely NW European.

    My mom usually doesn't get any SSA in modern G25 models, unless I start removing populations. For instance, if I remove all of the North African Jewish and non-Jewish samples from the full sheet of Modern Averages, she gets 0.2% Mbuti and 0.2% Fulani, which doesn't really change, even if I take of out all the Western Jewish averages. SSA only goes up for her if I take out all the Levantine and Arabian averages as well, and she gets 2% Eritrean, in addition to the Fulani, but that's probably mostly a stand-in for some of the missing Semitic. If I keep taking away all other Mediterranean basin and Mizrahi populations, the Eritrean goes up a bit, but seems to max out at around 6%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for. Are you just trying to make sure that the SSA is associated with your grandfather's Ashkenazi ancestry? Or are you trying to pinpoint the exact source of that ancestry within Africa?

    Also, were the numbers your posted before from the nMonte runner yours or your grandfather's?

    I don't know that you'll be able to pinpoint the source of the ancestry, but it could be fun to try. I'm not at all sure that what is detected as SSA in Moorjani's study is linked to the Northeast African (Horn of Africa pops) which shows up for Western Jews in some calculators, or if the latter is just overlap from shared Semitic ancestry. Both my mom and I often get Yemenite in certain calculators and G25 models, and I wonder whether Horn African might just be a "byproduct" of that.

    Oddly enough, the runner numbers you posted are reminiscent of my dad's. Both he and I tend to get tiny Horn African percentages in G25, and my dad also gets around 1-2% of some Arabian population (usually Yemeni), even though his known ancestry is almost entirely NW European.

    My mom usually doesn't get any SSA in modern G25 models, unless I start removing populations. For instance, if I remove all of the North African Jewish and non-Jewish samples from the full sheet of Modern Averages, she gets 0.2% Mbuti and 0.2% Fulani, which doesn't really change, even if I take of out all the Western Jewish averages. SSA only goes up for her if I take out all the Levantine and Arabian averages as well, and she gets 2% Eritrean, in addition to the Fulani, but that's probably mostly a stand-in for some of the missing Semitic. If I keep taking away all other Mediterranean basin and Mizrahi populations, the Eritrean goes up a bit, but seems to max out at around 6%.
    I was attempting to locate the source of the SSA within Africa, which I considered a fun challenge to attempt, however it sounds like it may be an unnecessary task, especially if your father is NW European and gets the same numbers as me. Those nMonte runner numbers are mine. Once the Eurogenes store reopens I was planning to get my grandfather's coordinates and see if modelling him shows anything interesting. At most I expect may 1-2% more than me for some of the populations.
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