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Thread: A Genomic Compendium of an Island: Documenting Continuity and Change across Irish Hum

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    I wouldn't trust K36 for this type of thing. Even K15 and K13 are dubious for ancient samples
    I will take your word for it. Came across this old map when I was looking for something else
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    Apparently the thesis has been embargoed until 24/5/2023. It's still marked as open access, but the link to the PDF now leads to a login page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Apparently the thesis has been embargoed until 24/5/2023. It's still marked as open access, but the link to the PDF now leads to a login page.
    Can't have nice things....

    I need four or five big, interesting papers out, now. I'll never have this much free time again to read them until I retire.
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    It's frankly disgusting to embargo a paper from 2017 again for three more years for the general public, after it was finally published after three years. Especially in such a fast moving field as population genetics. When the embargo will be finally lifted again, the paper will probably be entirely redundant and outdated (in some parts not specific to Ireland it already is, even now).

    That's not how academic research is supposed to work. It should be about knowledge, not about the egos of universities or individual researchers. I'm so fed up with nonsense like this.

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    I downloaded it to my desktop if anyone wants it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    I downloaded it to my desktop if anyone wants it.
    I did the same actually. Glad that a prompt came up for me to download it. Why would they embargo it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FionnSneachta View Post
    I did the same actually. Glad that a prompt came up for me to download it. Why would they embargo it?
    It probably contains data and conclusions from manuscripts that are embargoed until publication later this year or next year.

    Someone, possibly the author, may have been shocked by how many people downloaded the thesis when it was linked here and at my blog, and realized that it may have been a mistake to publish it so soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    and realized that it may have been a mistake to publish it so soon.
    Too late

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    A very interesting read. Very careful about saying what can and cannot be inferred from the data. I cant disagree with a word of it. Its also of interest to non-Irish ancient genetics in terms especially of the Palaeolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic. The author cannot be criticised for any info that wasnt available at the time it was written. Not sure how much the France study would have added to her interpretation but probably a bit. France is of course the dominant likely launching point of all intrusions into the isles from 6000BC onwards when doggerland disappeared until the Anglo-Saxons arrived.

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    Data wise pretty disappointing considering the absurd wait to read it and all the samples Lara supposedly has. If the Galway samples turn out to be FGC4077 now that would be interesting - but the date window is still frustratingly wide. At the early edge the samples seem a lot more interesting than the later end by which date its reasonable to assume M222 was in Scotland too. Are they pre-historical?
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