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Thread: G25 Distances Iberian-English-Sicilian, short Spreadsheet model.

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    G25 Distances Iberian-English-Sicilian, short Spreadsheet model.

    Scaled coordinates.

    https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

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    English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0.0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
    English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0.0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
    Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
    Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
    Spanish_Cantabria,0.119514,0.14759,0.0443743,0.0059217,0.046778,-0.0059497,-0.0005483,0.001923,0.0235883,0.0347463,-0.0056293,0.0086423,-0.018632,-0.0168817,0.009093,0.001635,-0.0035203,0.0012667,-0.0054047,-0.004794,0.002787,0.000742,-0.0059567,-0.0017673,0.0006783
    Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
    Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
    Sorry Portugueses, but in average modern population there is only 1 sample. A ver cuando de una vez ponen suficientes samples para representar mejor vuestra población, y dejan de poner 72 samples de Cataluña y zonas relacionadas que aunque está muy bien, tanta desproporción resulta un poco inusitada.

    I put one from North Spain and another one from South.

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    0.03381971 Portuguese
    0.03892614 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.04738047 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.05698563 Sicilian_West
    0.06917208 Sicilian_East
    0.08595301 English_Cornwall
    0.08685069 English

    Yo estoy southern shifted, asi que es obvio.

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    No hay mucha diferencia, también estoy shifteado al sur.

    Distance to: Juan_scaled
    0.03060658 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.03254586 Portuguese
    0.03866352 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.06939643 Sicilian_West
    0.07871621 Sicilian_East
    0.08291592 English_Cornwall
    0.08548183 English

    En cuanto a las muestras españolas disponibles se podría hablar un largo rato, he contado las muestras y me salió esto:

    Total 250 muestras individuales.

    Cataluña y sus regiones (incluyendo pirineo catalán): 76
    Baleares: 28
    C.Valenciana: 25

    Total: 129

    El resto de regiones españolas y portuguesas.

    Galicia 18
    Asturias 1
    Cantabria 3
    Aragon 4
    Portugal 25
    Castilla y leon 3
    Castilla la mancha 4
    Extremadura 3
    Andalucia 19
    Murcia 4
    Pais Vasco 3 + 9
    Navarra 3
    La rioja 1
    Soria 2
    Canarias 19

    Total: 121

    Es que incluso las comunidades "satélite" catalanas tienen más muestras que cualquier otra, o solo las universidades catalanas se interesan en genética de poblaciones y por eso solo nos llegan sus investigaciones o algo pasa.

    Por ejemplo con 3 muestras de Castilla y Leon y 1 de Asturias es imposible hacer promedios, cualquier científico serio que use la estadística se reirá de ti si le comentas que con 4 muestras sobre un sitio especifico puedes hacer promedios y extraer conclusiones fiables sobre esa región.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJJ View Post
    No hay mucha diferencia, también estoy shifteado al sur.

    Distance to: Juan_scaled
    0.03060658 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.03254586 Portuguese
    0.03866352 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.06939643 Sicilian_West
    0.07871621 Sicilian_East
    0.08291592 English_Cornwall
    0.08548183 English

    En cuanto a las muestras españolas disponibles se podría hablar un largo rato, he contado las muestras y me salió esto:

    Total 250 muestras individuales.

    Cataluña y sus regiones (incluyendo pirineo catalán): 76
    Baleares: 28
    C.Valenciana: 25

    Total: 129

    El resto de regiones españolas y portuguesas.

    Galicia 18
    Asturias 1
    Cantabria 3
    Aragon 4
    Portugal 25
    Castilla y leon 3
    Castilla la mancha 4
    Extremadura 3
    Andalucia 19
    Murcia 4
    Pais Vasco 3 + 9
    Navarra 3
    La rioja 1
    Soria 2
    Canarias 19

    Total: 121

    Es que incluso las comunidades "satélite" catalanas tienen más muestras que cualquier otra, o solo las universidades catalanas se interesan en genética de poblaciones y por eso solo nos llegan sus investigaciones o algo pasa.

    Por ejemplo con 3 muestras de Castilla y Leon y 1 de Asturias es imposible hacer promedios, cualquier científico serio que use la estadística se reirá de ti si le comentas que con 4 muestras sobre un sitio especifico puedes hacer promedios y extraer conclusiones fiables sobre esa región.
    Lo que pasa es que hay 2 tipos de north shift, la del oeste, en donde los españoles siempre me van a ganar, y la del este, en la cual se supone que yo saco un poquillo mas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alejandromb92 View Post
    Lo que pasa es que hay 2 tipos de north shift, la del oeste, en donde los españoles siempre me van a ganar, y la del este, en la cual se supone que yo saco un poquillo mas.
    Tienes 2.8 más de estepa y 2 menos de WHG, al final tenemos lo mismo de shifteo al norte. Incluso un 1% menos de africano, está claro que a ninguno nos ganarías.

    Target: Alejandro_scaled
    Distance: 1.6897% / 0.01689654
    52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    33.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    8.2 WHG
    5.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 3.5087% / 0.03508710
    52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.2 WHG
    5.2 MAR_Taforalt
    1.4 SSA

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    Esto es casi el mismo que las cartas de Ph2ter, pero con pocas referencias
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA - H20. Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    [1] "distance%=1.3492"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJJ View Post
    Tienes 2.8 más de estepa y 2 menos de WHG, al final tenemos lo mismo de shifteo al norte. Incluso un 1% menos de africano, está claro que a ninguno nos ganarías.

    Target: Alejandro_scaled
    Distance: 1.6897% / 0.01689654
    52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    33.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    8.2 WHG
    5.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 3.5087% / 0.03508710
    52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.2 WHG
    5.2 MAR_Taforalt
    1.4 SSA
    Ojo, creeeeeeeo que cuanto mas estepa, mas relacion con los pueblos de Este de Europa, en vez de los del Norte como tal, eso lo haria el WHG, ojo no estoy seguro. Yo se que saco alguito de natufian, en algunas calcs, me parece que ese MENA que da ese modelo para mi esta entre 1 a 2 puntos mas bajo de mi MENA real en G25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Esto es casi el mismo que las cartas de Ph2ter, pero con pocas referencias
    Oye Ruderico tu puedes cambiar el nombre de los usuarios aqui? Es que me aburre demasiado este nickname tan nulo que tengo xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by alejandromb92 View Post
    Oye Ruderico tu puedes cambiar el nombre de los usuarios aqui? Es que me aburre demasiado este nickname tan nulo que tengo xD
    Desafortunadamente no, yo soy solo un mero moderador

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    La política de cambio de nombre es muy dura, puedes preguntar a un Admin (DMXX, GTC, Balkankiwi) pero probablemente no lo van a cambiar
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA - H20. Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    [1] "distance%=1.3492"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Desafortunadamente no, yo soy solo un mero moderador



    La política de cambio de nombre es muy dura, puedes preguntar a un Admin (DMXX, GTC, Balkankiwi) pero probablemente no lo van a cambiar
    bueno, vale vale. Gracias por la informacion, supongo que me quedare asi.

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