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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Nope and I wouldn't consider the J2a a crazy exception, your clade was found also in this paper too right? G-M406 mirrors J2a a lot
    Yep my clade has be found in Arslantepe if i am not mistaken.Looks kinda Kura-Araxes related..
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
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    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    I've got huge updates for 2 of the samples!!

    ART023 Arslantepe, Turkey; Late Chalcolithic belongs to J2a-L210* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L210/

    This first ever L210 found in Ancient DNA, pretty happy not going to lie

    ART020 Arslantepe, Turkey; Late Chalcolithic belongs to J2a-M319>Y16819* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y16819/

    This is another large find as well, Sorcelow will be happy for this one

    Unfortunately have still not been able to get a further downstream for ART027 under M319
    That's incredible! I suspected that my lineage was lurking somewhere in Anatolia during this time. Are these samples from a particular study? Is there a link where I can read more about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Do you know anything about the J2 clades of modern day Tajiks/Central Asians? Are they related to clades further west in Iran/Mesopotamia or more to older clades in BMAC/Turan and South Asia?
    I donít know exactly but it would likely be a mix of the two options, seeing that branches of F3133 diversified in Central Asia and Iranian plateau odds are these would still be quite relevant.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Yep my clade has be found in Arslantepe if i am not mistaken.Looks kinda Kura-Araxes related..
    It could easily be, as more samples come out we’ll know the ancient history of G-M406.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13> A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    That's incredible! I suspected that my lineage was lurking somewhere in Anatolia during this time. Are these samples from a particular study? Is there a link where I can read more about them?
    Yes it is, I added an extra note to my original post as there is positive and a couple of negatives so a splitter the sample would be. Yes it from this paper https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(20)30572-9, the original post of this thread.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13> A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Yes it is, I added an extra note to my original post as there is positive and a couple of negatives so a splitter the sample would be. Yes it from this paper https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(20)30572-9, the original post of this thread.
    I'm sorry, what do you mean by "splitter"? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    I'm sorry, what do you mean by "splitter"? Thank you.
    Splitter meaning, somewhere in between the branch formation and TMRCA, so he belongs somewhere in between 11100-4300 ybp. Another way of seeing it, there are 63 snps that define Y16819, he isn’t positive for all of them, so he would split somewhere.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13> A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    The Chalcolithic Peqi'in individuals are indeed very close to the Tell Kurdu individuals in the Skourtanioti et al study.
    There were three males from Tell Kurdu, H2, G2a2 and J1a2. H2 and T were found among the PPNB individuals from Southern Levant. H2 and G2a probably migrated from Western and Central Anatolia south into the Levant. J1a2 probably came from the Caucasus or Zagros region.
    I guess that if there were more male individuals tested from Tell Kurdu, Y-haplogroup T would also be found.
    So, right now, having seen the Skourtanioti study, and knowing that the Harvard team has a pending study on the Neolithic period of West Asia, where do you think that the place of origin (during the early Neolithic PPNA and PPNB ) for the Chalcolithic Peqi'in individuals with Y-haplogroup T is located? Could it be Southeastern Anatolia, or maybe Southern Mesopotamia?
    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Given the similarity of Peqi'in to Tell Kurdu, it would be quite surprising if T-M70 didn't show up in other Pottery Neolithic/Early Chalcolithic samples from the Amuq valley. As to where this lineage found its source during the Pre-Pottery Neolithic, Southeastern Anatolia and NW Mesopotamia along with much of Zagros sound like a more convincing contender than Southern Mesopotamia.
    Do you have any preknowledge from the soon to be published papers, if they found T in the Pre Pottery period of the Southeastern Anatolian and NW Mesopotamian regions? Could the next Harvard study show that a major frequency of T was found in this region and time period which will show the place of birth for the haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Do you know anything about the J2 clades of modern day Tajiks/Central Asians? Are they related to clades further west in Iran/Mesopotamia or more to older clades in BMAC/Turan and South Asia?
    Both L210 and M319 branches split ~> 10000years back.
    I don't recall seeing them in southern Asians. So perhaps there was a split earlier than that?

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