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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaroslav View Post
    Did somebody publish the bam data of Arslantepe ART018 J1a2b1-Z1842 sample?
    Bams are in! ART018's bam can be found at https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMEA6678486
    Predominantly Appalachian, Middle TN, and North GA roots

    Y-DNA in BR2's branch J-Y17946 (under M172, M67, Z7671, and Y11200). Interested in Z7671 and other J2 in the Caucasus

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepslayer View Post
    Bams are in! ART018's bam can be found at https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMEA6678486
    Thanks! I mean did somebody publish ART018 SNP calls?

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    Modeling the Armenian EBA groups with these new samples now available. Mostly Areni_CA + Darkveti_Meshoko + Iran_CA.
    Caucausus-lowlands individuals are distinguished from Iran_CA/CHG-mix by a decent amount (10-15%) of Levant_N mixture.

    Armenia_Kalavan_EBA
    "Armenia_Areni1_CA" 30.9
    "Caucasus_Eneolithic" 30.9
    "Caucasus_lowlands_LN" 21.45
    "Iran_TepeHissar_CA" 12.25
    "Iran_SehGabi_CA" 4.35
    "Mota.SG" 0.1
    "South_Africa_2000BP.SG" 0.05
    "distance%=0.222 / distance=0.00222"

    Armenia_Talin_EBA
    "Armenia_Areni1_CA" 46.3
    "Iran_HajjiFiruz_CA" 35.4
    "Caucasus_Eneolithic" 17.1
    "Iran_SehGabi_CA" 0.7
    "MotaX5" 0.35
    "Iran_TepeHissar_CA" 0.15
    "distance%=0.201 / distance=0.00201"

    KuraAraxes
    "Armenia_Areni1_CA" 35.65
    "Caucasus_Eneolithic" 25.2
    "Iran_TepeHissar_CA" 14.8
    "Caucasus_lowlands_LN" 11.85
    "Caucasus_lowlands_LCA" 11.7
    "Mota.SG" 0.8
    "distance%=0.3751 / distance=0.003751"
    Columns:,Anatolia_Barcin_N,Levant_N,Iran_GanjDareh _N,CHG.SG,Taforalt,Vanuatu_ancient,PrimorskyKrai_B oisman_MN,Peru_Laramate_900BP,Karelia_HG,IronGates _Meso1,Yamnaya_Samara,Ust_Ishim.DG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    An Update !!!! On ART011

    ART011 Arslantepe, Turkey; belongs to J2a-Z7671>Y3020>Y17946* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y17946*/

    I know Sheepslayer will be happy

    No calls for J-Y129179

    No calls for Y150765 and FGC62187

    Negative for Y18397
    It´s strange ,why this male sample and some other male samples are represented like "female" in article:

    "ART011 (S220-1) is a ca. 30-year-old female represented by a skull and disarticulated long bones found on the floor of a
    dwelling from Period VI B2, together with other bones from ART009 and ART010. No pathology was found on preserved cranial
    bones. Dating: 2839-2581 cal BCE (4103 ± 26 BP, MAMS-33538)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    ART011 Arslantepe, Turkey; belongs to J2a-Z7671>Y3020 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y3020/

    ALA011 Alalakh, Turkey; belongs to J2a-Z7671>CTS6804 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6804/
    Can u write me,if ALA011 is negative for these snips :"Y3612,PH1244,Z8114,Y20305" ?

    thank u

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    And more particularly, isn't the king of Shechem in the Rape of Dinah story a Hivite? Doesn't the Septuagint render it Horite? How plausible is the claim that the vav here is a misread of an originally-intended resh?
    It's actually quite plausible, that's one of the most common spelling differences between the Masoretic version and the Shekhem synagogue text, and one of the few that isn't motivated by Samaritan Hebrew phonology.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    It's actually quite plausible, that's one of the most common spelling differences between the Masoretic version and the Shekhem synagogue text, and one of the few that isn't motivated by Samaritan Hebrew phonology.
    What do you think the main Y-DNA haplogroups of the Uruk culture people are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika1982 View Post
    It´s strange ,why this male sample and some other male samples are represented like "female" in article:

    "ART011 (S220-1) is a ca. 30-year-old female represented by a skull and disarticulated long bones found on the floor of a
    dwelling from Period VI B2, together with other bones from ART009 and ART010. No pathology was found on preserved cranial
    bones. Dating: 2839-2581 cal BCE (4103 ± 26 BP, MAMS-33538)"
    Possibly because the archaeologists that recovered and studies them thought they looked like female bones but in reality they have turned out to be male. It happens sometimes it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    Really quickly, as a first impression from the Southern Levant paper: They model Ashkenazi Jews as nearly 60% Middle Eastern (Megiddo_MLBA+Iran_Chl). We've discussed this topic before and a predominant opinion here is that it's probably markedly lower than that, closer to 40-30%.

    One major issue I'm seeing with the analysis here (which was done with an ADMIXTURE derived method and not something formal stat based?? Correct me if I'm wrong) is that the Tuscan control group comes out as 30-40% Middle Eastern. Do we really accept that? The authors should have seen right there that the analysis is very questionable because other published models for central Italians are nowhere close to that. My guess is they're lumping too many components together and their Middle East component is absorbing Aegean ancestry.
    Firstly, I don’t know who has established that Ashkenazim are only 30-40% middle eastern, this seems like more old stuff from Costa 2013. Secondly, the issue is that Northern Israelites probably mixed with the Canaanites more than southern Judahites who are predominantly the ancestry of modern Jews and would most likely have more Mesopotamian ancestry. Stuffing all Middle Eastern DNA into “Bronze Age Caananite” is bound to produce wonky results, which is why I would disregard the modern admixture section of that paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    From what I gather, various branches of J2a-M67, J1-Z1842 and R1b-V1636 for the most part. It's bound to have been a mixed bag, though I'd expect these to become a regular occurrence in K-A results.
    We can expect also E-M84 from Kura Araxes. Sounds counter intuitive but very realistic.
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