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    Excellent, two methods nice corroboration. Want to try G25 and make it a third?
    Barcin_C has a good chunk of both CHG and Levant. I suspect a three-way mix of Steppe_Piedmont, Buyukaya_ECA (covers the CHG), and TellKurdu_ECA (covers the Levant) will work even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    Excellent, two methods nice corroboration. Want to try G25 and make it a third?
    Barcin_C has a good chunk of both CHG and Levant. I suspect a three-way mix of Steppe_Piedmont, Buyukaya_ECA (covers the CHG), and TellKurdu_ECA (covers the Levant) will work even better.
    Barcin_C has ancestry from the western steppe and the Balkans too. This is hard to flesh out with this particular individual. It'll be obvious in other samples though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Barcin_C has ancestry from the western steppe and the Balkans too. This is hard to flesh out with this particular individual. It'll be obvious in other samples though.
    Also, it is a shame to not have anything new about the Silivri finding. Just at the other side of Marmara sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    Excellent, two methods nice corroboration. Want to try G25 and make it a third?
    Barcin_C has a good chunk of both CHG and Levant. I suspect a three-way mix of Steppe_Piedmont, Buyukaya_ECA (covers the CHG), and TellKurdu_ECA (covers the Levant) will work even better.
    I think that some Balkan admixture is needed. Something like Cernavoda I or III.

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    What could be the source of CHG ancestry in Iran_C? Can it be Shulaveri-Shomu?

    Target: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C_scaled
    Distance: 1.9927% / 0.01992740
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    Target: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C_scaled
    Distance: 1.6959% / 0.01695922
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    Target: IRN_Seh_Gabi_C_scaled
    Distance: 1.6141% / 0.01614106
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    Target: IRN_Seh_Gabi_C_scaled
    Distance: 1.3999% / 0.01399863
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    I think that some Balkan admixture is needed. Something like Cernavoda I or III.
    Honestly, I think it's basically all over as far as the PIE homeland is concerned once we get more CA/BA samples from the western edge of the steppe, western Anatolia, and the eastern Balkans.

    The debate will probably continue, almost certainly with Max Planck Jena still pushing for a homeland somewhere south of the Caucasus, but for most the focus will shift towards the details of what happened exactly once PIE left the steppe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Honestly, I think it's basically all over as far as the PIE homeland is concerned once we get more CA/BA samples from the western edge of the steppe, western Anatolia, and the eastern Balkans.

    The debate will probably continue, almost certainly with Max Planck Jena still pushing for a homeland somewhere south of the Caucasus, but for most the focus will shift towards the details of what happened exactly once PIE left the steppe.
    To me, it is a matter of when and how rather than where. The details are still missing. Were Yamnaya central to PIE diffusion or a dead end? When did Anatalian languages reached the Konya plain? Already around 3000BC or later? In one or several waves? Many questions, few answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Be prepared because soon we are going to have more published details about the new Mestizo Steppe population and the new Indo-European Creole language there.
    Really, what is it going to take for you to give this lost cause up? Do we have to find a way to send you back in time so you can see the obvious happen before your eyes?
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