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    New Study: "Cannabis and Frankincense at the Judahite Shrine of Arad"

    Just for fun, another bit of news amid all the recent findings from the Near East!

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...5.2020.1732046

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Just for fun, another bit of news amid all the recent findings from the Near East!

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...5.2020.1732046
    I was interested in this and read the paper at the weekend after seeing a sensationalist news story. To me the conclusion that "In light of our results it is clear that the number of altars does not echo the number of deities worshipped in the shrine" was unexpected to say the least. Was the study peer reviewed? To my mind work from previous authors (unaware of the cannabis/frankincense dichotomy) suggesting that one altar was for Asherah and another for Yahweh only seems more likely now, given the two discrete types of offering and what we already knew of the period. I'm sure it wouldn't have grabbed the headlines though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Just for fun, another bit of news amid all the recent findings from the Near East!

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...5.2020.1732046
    Recently read that the most solid biblical mention of ganj might be "panag", in Ezekiel 27:17, listed among Israel's exports to Tyre, and perhaps cognate with bhang—rather than the better-known "kanneh-bosem".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    I was interested in this and read the paper at the weekend after seeing a sensationalist news story. To me the conclusion that "In light of our results it is clear that the number of altars does not echo the number of deities worshipped in the shrine" was unexpected to say the least. Was the study peer reviewed? To my mind work from previous authors (unaware of the cannabis/frankincense dichotomy) suggesting that one altar was for Asherah and another for Yahweh only seems more likely now, given the two discrete types of offering and what we already knew of the period. I'm sure it wouldn't have grabbed the headlines though.
    Don't know about the rest, but yes, Tel Aviv is a peer-reviewed publication, and given that it's part of the Routledge family, I'd imagine their standards are fairly high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Don't know about the rest, but yes, Tel Aviv is a peer-reviewed publication, and given that it's part of the Routledge family, I'd imagine their standards are fairly high.
    Thanks. I found the whole picture of the site a bit confused in this paper. Even the explanation of how everything was lying when excavated. It's clear in earlier studies though. I look forward to further work because it looks a rich field of study.
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    The Ancient Israelites frequently adopted the pagan practices of their neighbors during the Iron age despite attempts by religious and political authority to stop this. The use of cannabis was common in religious practices of surrounding Levantine peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    The Ancient Israelites frequently adopted the pagan practices of their neighbors during the Iron age despite attempts by religious and political authority to stop this. The use of cannabis was common in religious practices of surrounding Levantine peoples.
    You certainly couldn't miss the first point if you've read the books that are sacred to Judaism or Christianity. You just summarised many of the books of what Christians call the Old Testament there. On your second point, I tried to explore online after reading the paper but couldn't find any cannabis facts from a trustworthy source. Where should I be looking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    You certainly couldn't miss the first point if you've read the books that are sacred to Judaism or Christianity. You just summarised many of the books of what Christians call the Old Testament there. On your second point, I tried to explore online after reading the paper but couldn't find any cannabis facts from a trustworthy source. Where should I be looking?
    The vast majority of archaeologists agree on Cannabis' use in Assyria.

    According to Jurgen Thorwald's book "Science and Secrets of Early Medicine" pp.170:
    "Quunabu - such was the Assyrian name for Indian hemp. This is basically the same word as it was later known by cannabis (Cannabis India), and hemp is cognate with it. . . . it was often employed in Mesopotamia to relieve the pain of bronchitis, bladder trouble, rheumatism, and as a remedy for insomnia."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    The vast majority of archaeologists agree on Cannabis' use in Assyria.

    According to Jurgen Thorwald's book "Science and Secrets of Early Medicine" pp.170:
    "Quunabu - such was the Assyrian name for Indian hemp. This is basically the same word as it was later known by cannabis (Cannabis India), and hemp is cognate with it. . . . it was often employed in Mesopotamia to relieve the pain of bronchitis, bladder trouble, rheumatism, and as a remedy for insomnia."
    Thanks. I don't know this writer but what I immediately see online doesn't inspire confidence. First Google page Cambridge review of the book from 1964: "A great fault of the book is its dogmatism: distinction between fact and hypo thesis is usually blurred, often non-existent."
    Are there any proper academic papers on this? I'm genuinely interested, as you can see from my first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Thanks. I don't know this writer but what I immediately see online doesn't inspire confidence. First Google page Cambridge review of the book from 1964: "A great fault of the book is its dogmatism: distinction between fact and hypo thesis is usually blurred, often non-existent."
    Are there any proper academic papers on this? I'm genuinely interested, as you can see from my first post.
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