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    Currently Iranian scholars are doing dozens of ancient DNA tests of khans and shahs in iranian region. So it turns out that direct descendant - great-grandson of Chengis Khan Ghazan is O2. Full test results of all tests including this one is planned to reveal in 2022.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    Currently Iranian scholars are doing dozens of ancient DNA tests of khans and shahs in iranian region. So it turns out that direct descendant - great-grandson of Chengis Khan Ghazan is O2. Full test results of all tests including this one is planned to reveal in 2022.
    Interesting!....Any word of any J2a found among any of those ancient Khans or Shahs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Interesting!....Any word of any J2a found among any of those ancient Khans or Shahs?
    Yeah sure. Though unfortunately we are not endorsed to reveal them.
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    Interesting, it's usually thought that Genghis Khan belonged to a branch of C or C-M217, with a 2019 paper suggesting that he was M217>F1756 based on the results of several members from the Lu clan of northwestern China, who claim descent from Genghis Khan. This clan also apparently shares common ancestry with the Tore of Kazakhstan ~1,000ybp, the Tore claim descent from Jochi Khan, the first son of Genghis https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-019-0618-0.

    Ghazan being O2 makes things even more complicated, since he is considered to be a direct paternal descendant of Genghis Khan through his fourth son, Tolui.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Interesting, it's usually thought that Genghis Khan belonged to a branch of C or C-M217, with a 2019 paper suggesting that he was M217>F1756 based on the results of several members from the Lu clan of northwestern China, who claim descent from Genghis Khan. This clan also apparently shares common ancestry with the Tore of Kazakhstan ~1,000ybp, the Tore claim descent from Jochi Khan, the first son of Genghis https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-019-0618-0.

    Ghazan being O2 makes things even more complicated, since he is considered to be a direct paternal descendant of Genghis Khan through his fourth son, Tolui.
    Wasn't Jochi's paternity disputed even during the lifetime of Genghis Khan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Wasn't Jochi's paternity disputed even during the lifetime of Genghis Khan?
    Yes, it was claimed that he may in fact have been the son of a Merkit warrior since his mother Börte had been abducted by the Merkits for a fairly long period of time. Though it's still considered to be quite possible that Genghis Khan (Temüjin) was his true father.

    Should be noted that the Lu clan apparently claim to stem from the sixth son of Genghis, Toghan. The weird thing is that Genghis Khan only had four legitimate sons that would inherit parts of his empire (Jochi, Chagatai, Ögedei and Tolui), he didn't have six. So perhaps this certain Toghan was an illegitimate child, or he was completely made up. There was a historical figure named Toghon Temür, who was the emperor of the Mongol Yuan dynasty of China, however he doesn't seem to be a direct descendant of Genghis, although still a member of the Borjigin clan. There's also another Toghon, though this one was the son of Kublai Khan, and so a descendant of Tolui. Hard to say what's true.

    Edit: Toghon Temür is in fact a direct descendant of Genghis Khan through his fourth son Tolui. His great-great-grandfather was Zhenjin, the second son of Kublai Khan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    Yeah sure. Though unfortunately we are not endorsed to reveal them.
    Are all of the ancient samples from this study from the area which is now Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Are all of the ancient samples from this study from the area which is now Iran?
    Yeah mainly Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    Yeah mainly Iran.
    Not from Iran but I would love it if they could get a sample from Sultan Satuq Bughra Khan at some point in the future.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sult...uq_Bughra_Khan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    Currently Iranian scholars are doing dozens of ancient DNA tests of khans and shahs in iranian region. So it turns out that direct descendant - great-grandson of Chengis Khan Ghazan is O2. Full test results of all tests including this one is planned to reveal in 2022.
    Hi~is it true?��Ghazan Khan is O-M175? ��That's really surprised��Do u know the more details about GK's Haplogroup?thanks��

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