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    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Thanks for these Kolgeh! I'm going through some of them manually. Here's a couple:

    Shum Laka 8000BP I10872 - B1-V2342 - positive for 5 B SNPs and 2 B1 SNPs (V2342, V1211), negative for 2 B2'3 SNPs, 2 B3 SNPs, and many B2 SNPs.
    Shum Laka 3000BP I10873 - B2b-Y18023(xB2b1-M192)

    Boisman MN (Primorye, 5400-3600 BC) - all are C2b-pre-M504, except I14308, who has C2b1a2-M48(xM86): 1+ all the rest - at M86 level.
    Yankovsky IA I1202 (Primorye, ~900 BC) - N1c2'3-F1360(xN1c2-L666)

    Sakhalin recent I15926 (probably an Ainu) - D1b-M64*(xD1b1-Z1622, D1b2-Z1516)
    Funadomori (Hokkaido) Jomon I6341 (~3300 BC) - D1b-M64*(xD1b1-Z1622, D1b2a-CTS220)
    Rokutsu (near Tokyo) Jomon I3883 (2000-1500 BC) - D1b1a1a1-Y11739(xD1b1a1a1a-Z1527)
    Rokutsu Jomon I3886/I3887 (2000-1500 BC) - D1b1a1-Z1574(xD1b1a1a1-Y11739, D1b1a1a2-CTS1405)

    The Rokutsu Jomon are nested well within the modern Japanese clade on YF, the Funadomori one isn't (but no Ainu to compare with).

    North and East Mongolian Neolithic (5700-5000 BC, 2 sites) - all C2b-F3918*(xF1756, Z30559)
    Mongolian LBA I12795 (~1200 BC) - C2b-F1699*(xF3918, M48, M504)
    Mongolian Xiongnu I6228 (~AD 100) - C2b-F1756(xF3830)
    Mongolian Afanasievo CA I6221 - J1a2-Z2217(xJ1a2a-L620, J1a2b1-Z1828)
    Mongolian Chemurchek EBA I12957 and I12978 (~2500 BC, same site) - R1b-Z2103(xY13369, KMS75, Z2110)
    Mongolia Munkhkhairkhan MBA I12955 (~1900 BC) - N1c1a-TAT(xN1c1a1a-L708)
    Mongolian MLBA I13173 (~1800 BC) and I13768 (~1100 BC) - N(xN1-Z4762, N2a-P189) - likely N2-Y6503
    Mongolian Mongun Taiga LBA I12976 (~1400 BC) - N1c2-pre-L666
    Mongolian Slab Grave EIA I6365 (~800 BC) - N1c1a1a1a-M2019(xM2016)
    Mongolian Centre-West LBA I6367 (~1200 BC) - O3a2c1a1-M1706(xCTS1642) - O3 alpha group, very Sino-Tibetan
    Mongolian Mongun Taiga LBA I6363 (~1100 BC) - R1a-S23592(xYP1456) < Z2124 < Z93
    Mongolian Sagly IA I6224, I6233, I7030, I7027, and probably I6225 (~300 BC, all the same site) - R1a-S23592(xYP1456) < Z2124 < Z93
    Mongolian Sagly IA I7024 (~300 BC, same site) - R1a-Z93(xY2, Z2124, YP1506)
    Mongolia MBA-IA I12973, I6359, I6230, I7029, I6231, I6232, I6356, I12970, I13174, I7039, I13767, I13766, I6348 (~1700-200 BC) - Q1b1a3-L330 - a mix of subclades
    Mongolia Ulaanzukh LBA I4037, I12960, and likely I12972 (~1400 BC, 2 sites) - Q1a1a1-Y515 < M120
    Mongolian Slab Grave EIA I6349, I6352, I6353, I12969 and LBA I13505 (~1000 BC, 4 different sites) - Q1a1a-M120(xQ1a1a1-Y515)
    Mongolia IA I13504 (~400 BC) - Q1b1-L53(xQ1b1a-L54) - likely Q1b1b-YP4010
    Mongolia Sagly IA I7022 (~300 BC) - Q1a2a1-L715 < M25
    Mongolian Xianbei IA I13175 (~AD 500) and Medieval Mongol I13176 (~AD 900) - R1b2-PH155(xY32792)
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    So a mystery might be did Shamanka L666 die out, return to China or continue on relative to the Nganassans in Siberia? Relation C's found together with in Lokomotiv, and while it's now popular to frame the two clades (C & N) altogether versus each other, the significant presence of Q would seem to be the Cis Baikal region's most important factor from the Late Neolithic through the Bronze Age and into the historical Turkic period. It looks like the intruder TAT hailing from Beijing's bridging some new and old divides during this time, perhaps in its classic trader-explorer (and occasional warlord) approach. Q and C go far further back in Siberia of course.

    Sort of related, it looks like Athabaskans do carry L54 so I think that kind of verifies Vajda's Dene-Yeniseian. Why haven't I seen this mentioned? Yeniseian itself people have originating all over the place from China to Beringia but at least the haplogroup and Vajda give it a verifiable clear relation across the Pacific. Typologically it does sound boutique psycho but cousin Navajo got famously used in WWII and presently has over 100,000 speakers surprisingly. It actually got the honour of a Star Wars (1977) complete voice translation in 2013! Also on Q, C and Native Americans is this recent paper. Looks like the Ket are L330 somewhat late downstream of L54 so that probably makes an even better case for the "old speech" theme in this context although as far as I understand it the vast majority of L54 are not Dene-Yeniseian speakers. There may have been any number of Beringian spectrum dialects however and perhaps a partial typological complex will eventually be reconstructed if traditional genetic understandings can't achieve much unity.
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    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    Sort of related, it looks like Athabaskans do carry L54 so I think that kind of verifies Vajda's Dene-Yeniseian. Why haven't I seen this mentioned?
    Because the vast majority of Native Americans, from the Arctic to Patagonia, carry Q-L54; if anything Athabaskans, having a high frequency of C2b-P39, have less Q-L54 than usual. People have mentioned the Ket Q connection, but it's too old and non-specific to say much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    Because the vast majority of Native Americans, from the Arctic to Patagonia, carry Q-L54; if anything Athabaskans, having a high frequency of C2b-P39, have less Q-L54 than usual. People have mentioned the Ket Q connection, but it's too old and non-specific to say much.
    Just saw this. I was getting to the modern context, what I know of it, in the most recent edit above.
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post

    Y Chromosome Haplogroup assignments for ~2500 ancient samples
    Do you have a list of these in Excel format? If not is that something that you are willing to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    List of called snps for each sample.
    Do you have a way to do a bulk conversion to Excel and add an additional column so that bolded are labeled as derived and non-bolded are labeled as ancestral?

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