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    Quote Originally Posted by kimriddlebarger View Post
    Paul:

    Looks like you are one step upstream from me. There are two other FT18685s.
    Hi Kimriddlebarger,
    Yes under the BY84221 Branch, one in England and another in America, Im pleased it finally confirms my Ancestor was in Iron Age England around 200 BC.
    Last edited by Paul333; 07-29-2021 at 11:20 PM.

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    Thanks... not alot of H2a in that list... why are they not studying it as much, due to lack of samples?... i thought the rare would be more interesting to them. Suppose you have to take into account the majority and give them the information...

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    Quote Originally Posted by picto22 View Post
    Thanks... not alot of H2a in that list... why are they not studying it as much, due to lack of samples?... i thought the rare would be more interesting to them. Suppose you have to take into account the majority and give them the information...

    Hi Picto22.
    I dont think they know a lot about it.

    In my opinion its seems Y H2 has been around in Europe for a very long time, and because of its earlier presence in Europe is now seemingly threatening the neolithic farmer theory arrival, people are being a bit more carefull.

    The 'H' Y Haplogroup has mainly been associated with the 'Indian' area,as an origin, and this seems to be at odds with the Y 'H2' subclade, but because its descended from Y H-L901, its a problem, and seems to contradict this traditional line of thought.

    Its a confusing issue, but what is becoming clear is that there is certainly early 'H' ,European branches that have evolved, stemming at least, from before the SNPs 'Y21612', to Y21654, branches.
    Last edited by Paul333; 08-01-2021 at 01:55 AM.

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    My every day mantra for such cases is "BigY and Yfull". And yeah why don't you guys upload your VCF files to Yfull?
    It will uncover your early path and another brick in the wall of H2 history in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    My every day mantra for such cases is "BigY and Yfull". And yeah why don't you guys upload your VCF files to Yfull?
    It will uncover your early path and another brick in the wall of H2 history in Europe.
    Thanks Farroukh,
    Only had my results a few days so just trying to understand it all for now. I will decide to put it on Y Full when I understand a bit more.

    Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul333 View Post
    Hi Kimriddlebarger,
    Yes under the BY84221 Branch, one in England and another in America, Im pleased it finally confirms my Ancestor was in Iron Age England around 200 BC.
    ( correction )
    The two I match with FT18685, under BY84221, are both Americans, with a reported ancestral origin from England.

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    Visited the Y H Tree today, and on the public Y Haplo tree, Ive been moved to a different branch for FT18685. Im now on Y H2c1a1a1a, where'as before I was on Y H2a1a. The other two FT18685 remain on YH2a1a, so not sure what is happening and what the differences are that make this separation and change, but it will certainly affect my YH2 journey. I now will have to waite to try to find out why the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul333 View Post
    Visited the Y H Tree today, and on the public Y Haplo tree, Ive been moved to a different branch for FT18685. Im now on Y H2c1a1a1a, where'as before I was on Y H2a1a. The other two FT18685 remain on YH2a1a, so not sure what is happening and what the differences are that make this separation and change, but it will certainly affect my YH2 journey. I now will have to waite to try to find out why the difference.
    Just checked the Y H2 Haplo tree, and all Y H2 SNPs FT18685, are now grouped together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul333 View Post
    Just checked the Y H2 Haplo tree, and all Y H2 SNPs FT18685, are now grouped together.
    Just checked today and another change my terminal SNP is now Y H2 FT389203. Cannot find any information about this, anybody know its age or TMRCA.
    Last edited by Paul333; 08-11-2021 at 01:16 AM.

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