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    I am an Ashkenazi Jew with paternal ancestry from Ukraine traced into the 19th century. My paternal haplogroup is I-Z26381. Are there any other people on Anthrogenica, Jewish or non-Jewish, Ashkenazi or Mizrahi, with this haplogroup?

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    Can you share with us what you've learned about your Y-DNA? What do you know about your patrilinial ancestry?
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    Other potential and/or likely recent lineages: R-A11720, J-FGC21085, E-FGC56023

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Can you share with us what you've learned about your Y-DNA? What do you know about your patrilinial ancestry?
    I don't know that much. On the patrillineal line I can trace my ancestry back to my great-great grandfather, Chaim Meyer Kotlyar, who lived in Odessa, Ukraine. Family lore says that the last name was originally Puretz and that the family was from some other part of Ukraine. That's about it. Many of his lines ended in daughters, so of my generation only my cousin and I have this haplogroup. I have identified 12 Ashkenazi people through 23andme cousin matches on various profiles I have access to that have this group. 23andme also says that 1 in 1400 customers has it, which should still be thousands of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    I have identified 12 Ashkenazi people through 23andme cousin matches on various profiles I have access to that have this group. 23andme also says that 1 in 1400 customers has it, which should still be thousands of people.
    12 Ashkenazi people on 23andme have exactly the same haplogroup, I mean Z26381?
    I-L596 is a very interesting haplogroup, at it must have arrived to the Near East from Europe probably in late Paleolithic, thousand years later some of its branches returned to Europe.
    As for me, it would be really interesting to know your more detailed haplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemv View Post
    12 Ashkenazi people on 23andme have exactly the same haplogroup, I mean Z26381?
    I-L596 is a very interesting haplogroup, at it must have arrived to the Near East from Europe probably in late Paleolithic, thousand years later some of its branches returned to Europe.
    As for me, it would be really interesting to know your more detailed haplogroup.
    I tried to use YSEQ but it still gave me the same level of specificity. Do you have any suggestions for how to get a more detailed haplogroup (I only have 23andme). And yes, I saw 12 people with exactly I-Z26381.
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    Generally, there is only one idea - y-full.
    But they only analyse the data and do not make tests.
    So, first you need to use one of two:
    - dante labs;
    - Big-Y on FTDNA.
    Than upload test results to y-full.

    This is somewhat costy, but you will see your exact position on y-full tree that will be updated.

    But you didn't tell much about YSEQ. What panel did you take and what are the negatives you git from there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemv View Post
    Generally, there is only one idea - y-full.
    But they only analyse the data and do not make tests.
    So, first you need to use one of two:
    - dante labs;
    - Big-Y on FTDNA.
    Than upload test results to y-full.

    This is somewhat costy, but you will see your exact position on y-full tree that will be updated.

    But you didn't tell much about YSEQ. What panel did you take and what are the negatives you git from there?
    Maybe I'll try that. Here are all my YSEQ screenshots. I-Z26381 is one of the SNP associated with the group they give me.

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    Thank you.

    So, you do not even have downstream negatives.
    Actually you can also pay a few more dollars to Yseq and check for a number of dowstream SNPs (marked in bold and with a $ sign).
    Of course, this will give you much less info comparing to results that can be uploaded to Y-full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemv View Post
    Thank you.

    So, you do not even have downstream negatives.
    Actually you can also pay a few more dollars to Yseq and check for a number of dowstream SNPs (marked in bold and with a $ sign).
    Of course, this will give you much less info comparing to results that can be uploaded to Y-full.
    Thanks, I'll look into it.

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    The Jewish I2c2 branch has already been determined as I-Y86519 at YFULL. Despite being around 3900y.o., TMRCA is only 225y. The brother branches are predominantly Armenian and other South Caucasus, so it is not very clear how it was absorbed by the Jewish diaspora. My brother is from the small South Balkan branch I-BY4177.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y86519/

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