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    man....this thread has become a cocktail of desi turks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    man....this thread has become a cocktail of desi turks !
    I dont mean to imply that I'm a direct descendant of Safavis. I mean to say, I'm related through marriage.

    Edit: I'm also not turkic on my paternal line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    What is even more interesting, the person you matched with isn't related to my Uzbek side... this is my first cousin from my father's side. However, he and his mother both get a significant amount of Afghan and Turkic matches.
    Khana bhai, if you don't mind me asking is that your Seraiki Pashtun aunt/cousin?

    Apologies, just wanted to enquire as (as mentioned before) my grandad matches with your aunt and shares several triangulating matches and some shared Afghan/Turkic matches with her across platforms..

    am wondering whether it's Nader shah-era Qizilbash ancestry which is the common link with user ashina.. and maybe during the Durrani era your aunt/my grandad's shared ancestor wound up migrating to multan/Punjab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Khana bhai, if you don't mind me asking is that your Seraiki Pashtun aunt/cousin?

    Apologies, just wanted to enquire as (as mentioned before) my grandad matches with your aunt and shares several triangulating matches and some shared Afghan/Turkic matches with her across platforms..

    am wondering whether it's Nader shah-era Qizilbash ancestry which is the common link with user ashina.. and maybe during the Durrani era your aunt/my grandad's shared ancestor wound up migrating to multan/Punjab?
    No this is my other 1st cousin [.625 Saraiki-Baloch + .25 Kashmiri + .125 Delhi??].
    His mother is ".Sadia" [.75 Saraiki-Baloch + .25 Delhi??], the most ASI-shifted family member. Her grandmother migrated from east around Dehli, but we don't know what her ethnicity was. Genetically, she is a stand-in for my maternal grandfather -- they were half-siblings.
    His father is ".Jam" [.50 Saraiki-Baloch + .50 Kashmiri]. Genetically, he is a stand-in for my father -- they are brothers.

    However, the Turkic/Afghan thing has to do with the Saraiki-Baloch portion as all 3 people in this list get the same matches, with Sadia getting the most I believe. This is despite her being, autosomally, the least shifted towards the west.
    Last edited by khanabadoshi; 03-08-2021 at 07:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashina View Post
    There is a lot of tribal history and stories about migrating from Khorasan on the paternal side, but nothing like that is known on my maternal grandmother’s side unfortunately. Guess it’s just a matter of waiting for more matches to show up.
    I could see a plausible migration path being Anatolia/Central Asia => Khorasan => India. It likely reflects the path that the Nawabs of Awadh's ancestors took.

    A large share of migrants were originally from Khorasan. I generated a heat map with the sample from the linked paper re: the migrants that were classed as Persians.

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    Plausibly Turk (or should I say Turkoman) ancestry.

    Female relative of mine, Hasan surname.

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    Looks like a Turkish match I have on GED:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 39.67
    2 Baloch 14.62
    3 Mediterranean 13.54
    4 NE-Euro 13.36
    5 SW-Asian 9.34
    6 NE-Asian 3.43
    7 Siberian 2.63
    8 Beringian 1.19
    9 S-Indian 1.08


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 turk-aydin_hodoglugil @ 5.003014
    2 turk-istanbul_hodoglugil @ 6.897044
    3 turk-kayseri_hodoglugil @ 8.279796
    4 turk_behar @ 9.384068
    5 turkish_harappa @ 10.408195
    6 azeri_harappa @ 12.408308
    7 north-ossetian_harappa @ 14.024708
    8 armenian_harappa @ 14.476155
    9 ashkenazy-jew_behar @ 15.957231
    10 kumyk_yunusbayev @ 16.425966
    11 kurd_harappa @ 16.775730
    12 ashkenazi_harappa @ 17.225878
    13 uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 17.289093
    14 stalskoe_xing @ 17.350418
    15 iranian_harappa @ 17.564350
    16 cypriot_behar @ 17.686420
    17 nogai_yunusbayev @ 17.920780
    18 kurd_yunusbayev @ 17.975685
    19 sephardic-jew_behar @ 18.401331
    20 lebanese-muslim_haber @ 18.641180

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% ashkenazy-jew_behar +50% north-ossetian_harappa @ 3.331896


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% armenian_harappa +25% nogai_yunusbayev +25% tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.713218


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 assyrian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turkish_harappa + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.510762
    2 italian_hgdp + lebanese-christian_haber + north-ossetian_yunusbayev + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 1.536389
    3 assyrian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turkish_harappa + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.553942
    4 iraqi-mandaean_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turk-istanbul_hodoglugil + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.580538
    5 iraqi-mandaean_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turk-istanbul_hodoglugil + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.592056
    6 assyrian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turkish_harappa + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.609827
    7 iraqi-mandaean_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turk-istanbul_hodoglugil + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.625977
    8 armenian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + tuscan_hgdp + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.635588
    9 armenian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + tuscan_hapmap + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.653483
    10 nogai_yunusbayev + turkish_harappa + tuscan_1000genomes + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.701370
    11 armenian_harappa + armenian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.713218
    12 armenian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + tuscan_1000genomes + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.717932
    13 georgian_harappa + iraqi-arab_harappa + italian_hgdp + nogai_yunusbayev @ 1.723403
    14 nogai_yunusbayev + turkish_harappa + tuscan_hgdp + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.739692
    15 armenian_harappa + armenian_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.744021
    16 ashkenazi_harappa + north-ossetian_yunusbayev + sephardic-jew_behar + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 1.750591
    17 armenian_behar + iraqi-arab_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.750924
    18 iraqi-mandaean_harappa + nogai_yunusbayev + turk_behar + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.756713
    19 balkar_yunusbayev + italian_hgdp + lebanese-christian_haber + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 1.760394
    20 nogai_yunusbayev + turk_behar + tuscan_1000genomes + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.775256

    Done.

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    Turkish match.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni%C4%9Fde_Province

    Ancestral location seems to be in central Anatolia.

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    New Turkish match for my mom and khala. Seems to be triangulating at 11cm across two chromosomes. Any idea how we South Asians wind up with such matches? I'd be interested to know whether these are matches are real and, if so, whether they're steppe/medieaval/early modern mediated.
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    I think its a medievil thing going on, i heard something about my family too and I am too shocked for a big claim relevent to turkish history -Since we are on this topic. But i do recieve ALOT of turkish matches that come from mother and father side. Hmmmmm...
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    Mates F Mtdna : R30a

    When people think they know you and knows you more than you know yourself........Back off!

    Also when people do not know the difference between Incest and Inbred........ sigh...

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