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    So this is kind of the reverse. A Turk in a FB group I was speaking to was asking about how he possibly got an estimated South Indian ancestor on the 23andme timeline and he also got two Indian matches for his relatives. His ancestry is 1/4 Afshar, so he was speculating whether Afshar dynasty descendants ended up in South India and whether any of those later descendants with that ancestry mixed with South India settled in Turkey later on. I do know that descendants of royals such as the Nizams did settle in Turkey later on, so I wouldn't be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    So this is kind of the reverse. A Turk in a FB group I was speaking to was asking about how he possibly got an estimated South Indian ancestor on the 23andme timeline and he also got two Indian matches for his relatives. His ancestry is 1/4 Afshar, so he was speculating whether Afshar dynasty descendants ended up in South India and whether any of those later descendants with that ancestry mixed with South India settled in Turkey later on. I do know that descendants of royals such as the Nizams did settle in Turkey later on, so I wouldn't be surprised.

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    What % South Indian is he?

    Had a similar situation with one of my mom's matches whose an Iranian that is 1.5% North Indian/Pakistani.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post
    I score this on my V4 chip, which amounts to over an eighth - so quite substantial (I am 40% South Asian)








    My mother scores this (She is 50% South Asian)



    Regarding this, I also appear to have a recent 'Central Asian' ancestor here



    The 23andMe timeline is supposed to be speculative but this is interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam A View Post
    Regarding this, I also appear to have a recent 'Central Asian' ancestor here



    The 23andMe timeline is supposed to be speculative but this is interesting
    My timeline estimates me to have a Central Asian 4-7 generations back. I think that would line up with my great-great grandfather claiming to be Pashtun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Hey, I've posted this elsewhere, but just thought to share here too as relevant to the convo on haplogroups:

    I got my paternal grandfather's y-seq in late last week - he's J-Y182822 (MF1070+) which is downstream of J2a2*. It seems to be a minority clade found (so far) in two Russian tatars, an Iranian and one Pakistani Punjabi. There's not much data on it, but from what I've gleaned from others it *may* be a recent (e.g. Mughal era) arrival in the subcontinent, from the Turan area; although its very difficult to say atm with a TMRCA of 15,500 years ago!

    For context: Dada is Punjabi but claims his paternal gr. gr. grandfather was a migrant to the subcontinent. The story is that our ancestor, Mir Shihabuddin, was a scholar who came to the subcontinent at the invitation of a Mughal prince passing through. Have been trying to get to the bottom of the story for a while now - but the haplogroup discovery was handy for sure. I'd defo recommend y-dna testing for others with family stories of central asian/Iranian/Mughal descent!
    Another quick update - sorry for the spam! - I requested a further SNP test and we're positive for J-MF10466 which is downstream of J-Y182822. Can't find anything on J-MF10466 (it's not on Y-full) except that one Iranian falls under it (on FtDNA haplotree). The search continues!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    So this is kind of the reverse. A Turk in a FB group I was speaking to was asking about how he possibly got an estimated South Indian ancestor on the 23andme timeline and he also got two Indian matches for his relatives. His ancestry is 1/4 Afshar, so he was speculating whether Afshar dynasty descendants ended up in South India and whether any of those later descendants with that ancestry mixed with South India settled in Turkey later on. I do know that descendants of royals such as the Nizams did settle in Turkey later on, so I wouldn't be surprised.

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    Would be an interesting project to try and document all the South Asian-origin paternal/maternal lines now found outside of South Asia dating to before the European colonial era. It's going to increase dramatically in the 21st century too which may make it more difficult.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    Would be an interesting project to try and document all the South Asian-origin paternal/maternal lines now found outside of South Asia dating to before the European colonial era. It's going to increase dramatically in the 21st century too which may make it more difficult.
    I feel that before immigration really took off, that Indian-specific clades on both Y-DNA and mtDNA, outside of South Asia would have been heavily concentrated with Roma people.

    Wouldn't R1a and J2 be considered both South Asia and also Europe/MENA at some level?
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    A Turkic clan in Mughal India: The Qaqshals in Akbar’s service

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    So this is kind of the reverse. A Turk in a FB group I was speaking to was asking about how he possibly got an estimated South Indian ancestor on the 23andme timeline and he also got two Indian matches for his relatives. His ancestry is 1/4 Afshar, so he was speculating whether Afshar dynasty descendants ended up in South India and whether any of those later descendants with that ancestry mixed with South India settled in Turkey later on. I do know that descendants of royals such as the Nizams did settle in Turkey later on, so I wouldn't be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
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    A Turkic clan in Mughal India: The Qaqshals in Akbar’s service
    "After the establishment of the Mughal Empire, in Hindustan guest workers of Turkic origin started to move to India. They came from various places and represented all walks of life: Uzbegs from Transoxania, Afshars, Baharlus, Bayats from Iran, people from the various Turkic tribes of Khurasan."

    This matches up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    "After the establishment of the Mughal Empire, in Hindustan guest workers of Turkic origin started to move to India. They came from various places and represented all walks of life: Uzbegs from Transoxania, Afshars, Baharlus, Bayats from Iran, people from the various Turkic tribes of Khurasan."

    This matches up!
    Nawab Alivardi Khan (a shi'ite Afshar from the Deccan) was the grandfather of Sirajuddaulah, the last independent Nawab of Bengal. They are both considered heroes in popular imagination, Alivardi Khan for defeating the Marathas 6 times decisively while being outnumbered, and Siraj for his strong resistance to British imperialism. Their direct descendants (9th gen) live in Bangladesh.

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