okarinaofsteiner's East Eurasian GEDmatch megathread

[shakalaka]

Chinese
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 64.87
2 SE-Asian 32.67
3 Papuan 1.35
4 S-Indian 0.64
5 American 0.27
6 SW-Asian 0.18
7 NE-Euro 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 han (hgdp) 2.05
2 chinese (xing) 2.07
3 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 2.07
4 she (hgdp) 2.64
5 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 4.19
6 chinese-american (hapmap) 4.62
7 tujia (hgdp) 4.88
8 miao (hgdp) 5.86
9 chinese-beijing (hapmap) 17.46
10 chinese-beijing (1000genomes) 17.57
11 yi (hgdp) 18.56
12 naxi (hgdp) 20.09
13 han-nchina (hgdp) 23.68
14 japanese (hgdp) 24.97
15 tu (hgdp) 27.07
16 garo (chaubey) 27.17
17 burmanese (chaubey) 27.19
18 xibo (hgdp) 32.26
19 mongola (hgdp) 33.27
20 lahu (hgdp) 33.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.2% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) + 1.8% aus (reich) @ 0.64
2 98.6% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) + 1.4% papuan (hgdp) @ 0.77
3 98.3% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) + 1.7% melanesian (hgdp) @ 0.89
4 56.2% vietnamese (xing) + 43.8% japanese (hapmap) @ 0.9
5 98.3% han (hgdp) + 1.7% aus (reich) @ 0.91
6 56.1% vietnamese (xing) + 43.9% japanese (1000genomes) @ 0.92
7 98.3% han (hgdp) + 1.7% melanesian (hgdp) @ 0.95
8 98.7% han (hgdp) + 1.3% papuan (hgdp) @ 0.99
9 94.5% chinese-american (hapmap) + 5.5% samoan (xing) @ 1.2
10 53% kinh (1000genomes) + 47% japanese (1000genomes) @ 1.33
11 94.7% chinese-american (hapmap) + 5.3% tongan (xing) @ 1.39
12 98.9% chinese (xing) + 1.1% papuan (hgdp) @ 1.42
13 98.2% han (hgdp) + 1.8% tongan (xing) @ 1.45
14 98% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) + 2% onge (reich) @ 1.47
15 98.7% chinese (xing) + 1.3% aus (reich) @ 1.5
16 98% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) + 2% great-andamanese (reich) @ 1.53
17 98.1% han (hgdp) + 1.9% onge (reich) @ 1.54
18 98.3% han (hgdp) + 1.7% samoan (xing) @ 1.56
19 98.8% chinese (xing) + 1.2% melanesian (hgdp) @ 1.61
20 53.1% japanese (xing) + 46.9% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 1.61

[okarinaofsteiner]

@shakalaka; if you aren't willing to share the GEDmatch kits for these matches, can you at least share their results for the MDLP K23b calculator? I see you're sharing their HarappaWorld results, but I'd also be interested in how they score in other calculators too.

[shakalaka]

@shakalaka; if you aren't willing to share the GEDmatch kits for these matches, can you at least share their results for the MDLP K23b calculator? I see you're sharing their HarappaWorld results, but I'd also be interested in how they score in other calculators too.

I got their kit numbers will share them once Im on my laptop


Okarina, I sent them to you on PMs.

[okarinaofsteiner]

My top matches are East Asian. This match appears to be a Naxi or something. Interestingly, he gets the same NE/SE Asian ratio as me on Vahaduo. which is 5:1 (NE:SE). Maybe the Naxi contributed my 17-18% Tibeto-Burman ancestry. I didn't have the kit numbers last time but I have this one's kit number if you guys are interested.

Naxi(?)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 71.93
2 SE-Asian 13.96
3 Siberian 7.19
4 Mediterranean 1.96
5 NE-Euro 1.13
6 S-Indian 1.01
7 Caucasian 0.85
8 E-African 0.71
9 Beringian 0.67
10 Papuan 0.38
11 Baloch 0.21

MDLP K23b is Northern Han-like

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 43.16
2 Tungus-Altaic 32.54
3 Austronesian 18.99
4 South_Central_Asian 2.77
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.08
6 Arctic 0.8
7 East_Siberian 0.35
8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.22
9 South_Indian 0.08

Another one of my matches. Probably a North Chinese/Manchu etc

North Chinese

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 78.03
2 SE-Asian 14.51
3 Siberian 6.63
4 American 0.51
5 Beringian 0.32

MDLP K23b is also Northern Chinese like

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 46.04
2 Tungus-Altaic 33.49
3 Austronesian 19
4 East_Siberian 1.35
5 North_African 0.11

Last name is Tang, so Chinese heritage perhaps? Seems to have some SE-Asian in his oracles.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 71.04
2 SE-Asian 23.99
3 Beringian 2.47
4 Siberian 2.19
5 Papuan 0.2
6 Pygmy 0.1

This person (who you told me is ethnic Tujia) is more northern in MDLP K23b than I expected. Not particularly close to the Tujia reference population

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 45.57
2 Austronesian 26.69
3 Tungus-Altaic 26.57
4 East_Siberian 1.13
5 Arctic 0.04

Chinese
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 64.87
2 SE-Asian 32.67
3 Papuan 1.35
4 S-Indian 0.64
5 American 0.27
6 SW-Asian 0.18
7 NE-Euro 0.03

This person's MDLP K23b results are Sichuan/Yangtze Basin-ish. Seem to be one of those Han Chinese people who scores more "Basal East Eurasian" like me

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 48.25
2 Austronesian 31.44
3 Tungus-Altaic 18.47
4 Australoid 1.04
5 East_African 0.41
6 African_Pygmy 0.34
7 South_Central_Asian 0.04

[shakalaka]

MDLP K23b is Northern Han-like






MDLP K23b is also Northern Chinese like







This person (who you told me is ethnic Tujia) is more northern in MDLP K23b than I expected. Not particularly close to the Tujia reference population






This person's MDLP K23b results are Sichuan/Yangtze Basin-ish. Seem to be one of those Han Chinese people who scores more "Basal East Eurasian" like me

btw am I allowed to post the kit numbers here?

[shakalaka]

Definitely Malay, Muslim last name
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 57.6
2 S-Indian 14.78
3 NE-Asian 13.67
4 Baloch 5.67
5 Papuan 4.09
6 Siberian 1.95
7 Caucasian 0.84
8 NE-Euro 0.57
9 Mediterranean 0.31
10 SW-Asian 0.2
11 San 0.12
12 Beringian 0.1
13 W-African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 5.74
2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 8.49
3 cambodian (hgdp) 14.68
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 16.5
5 dai (hgdp) 23.86
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 24.11
7 kinh (1000genomes) 24.13
8 lahu (hgdp) 25.73
9 vietnamese (xing) 26.79
10 khasi (chaubey) 32.41
11 iban (xing) 32.72
12 samoan (xing) 35.35
13 burmanese (chaubey) 39.55
14 tongan (xing) 39.77
15 garo (chaubey) 42.73
16 great-andamanese (reich) 49.92
17 onge (reich) 50.08
18 miao (hgdp) 50.95
19 bonda (chaubey) 52.14
20 juang (chaubey) 52.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% cambodian (hgdp) + 19% nepalese-c (xing) @ 3.73
2 93.7% thai (xing) + 6.3% nepalese-c (xing) @ 4.06
3 80.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 19.7% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.08
4 79.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 20.9% nepalese-c (xing) @ 4.08
5 90.3% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.7% sindhi (hgdp) @ 4.12
6 90.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.1% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.15
7 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.18
8 90.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.8% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 4.18
9 95% thai (xing) + 5% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.18
10 94.3% thai (xing) + 5.7% burusho (hgdp) @ 4.19
11 96.1% thai (xing) + 3.9% aus (reich) @ 4.23
12 94.9% thai (xing) + 5.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.23
13 94.7% thai (xing) + 5.3% sindhi (hgdp) @ 4.24
14 95% thai (xing) + 5% makrani (hgdp) @ 4.27
15 94.7% thai (xing) + 5.3% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 4.27
16 94.7% thai (xing) + 5.3% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 4.29
17 90.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.1% makrani (hgdp) @ 4.3
18 94.8% thai (xing) + 5.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 4.31
19 90.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.6% bhatia (harappa) @ 4.32
20 90% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 10% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 4.32

[okarinaofsteiner]

btw am I allowed to post the kit numbers here?

You already did for that Malay person. I'd recommend not posting them in the future, but it's not a big deal.

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r/23andMe- Mixed Singaporean Muslim (Chinese + Pakistani mother, Chinese + Indonesian father) results

46.1% Chinese (34.1% non-Lingnan Southern, 10.4% Lingnan, 1.6% Broadly), 18.9% Indo/Thai/Khmer/Myanmar [Central Java + 1 region], 4.4% Filipino, 1.1% Broadly East Asian
16.8% Bengali + NE Indian, 12.2% North Indian + Pakistani, 0.5% Broadly Central/South Asian



I know physical appearance is off-limits on this forum, but thought it was interesting that OP commented on how they and their immediate family are perceived in Singaporean society.

Honestly, I just look like an ethnic Han chinese. All my family members are really fair skinned. Mostly, no one locally would ever really think I was of mixed heritage. Its only when i grow out a full beard and with my prominent nose I get mistaken for Japanese or even Central Asian sometimes.

[Kulin]

Definitely Malay, Muslim last name
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 57.6
2 S-Indian 14.78
3 NE-Asian 13.67
4 Baloch 5.67
5 Papuan 4.09
6 Siberian 1.95
7 Caucasian 0.84
8 NE-Euro 0.57
9 Mediterranean 0.31
10 SW-Asian 0.2
11 San 0.12
12 Beringian 0.1
13 W-African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 5.74
2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 8.49
3 cambodian (hgdp) 14.68
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 16.5
5 dai (hgdp) 23.86
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 24.11
7 kinh (1000genomes) 24.13
8 lahu (hgdp) 25.73
9 vietnamese (xing) 26.79
10 khasi (chaubey) 32.41
11 iban (xing) 32.72
12 samoan (xing) 35.35
13 burmanese (chaubey) 39.55
14 tongan (xing) 39.77
15 garo (chaubey) 42.73
16 great-andamanese (reich) 49.92
17 onge (reich) 50.08
18 miao (hgdp) 50.95
19 bonda (chaubey) 52.14
20 juang (chaubey) 52.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% cambodian (hgdp) + 19% nepalese-c (xing) @ 3.73
2 93.7% thai (xing) + 6.3% nepalese-c (xing) @ 4.06
3 80.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 19.7% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.08
4 79.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 20.9% nepalese-c (xing) @ 4.08
5 90.3% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.7% sindhi (hgdp) @ 4.12
6 90.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.1% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.15
7 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.18
8 90.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.8% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 4.18
9 95% thai (xing) + 5% brahui (hgdp) @ 4.18
10 94.3% thai (xing) + 5.7% burusho (hgdp) @ 4.19
11 96.1% thai (xing) + 3.9% aus (reich) @ 4.23
12 94.9% thai (xing) + 5.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 4.23
13 94.7% thai (xing) + 5.3% sindhi (hgdp) @ 4.24
14 95% thai (xing) + 5% makrani (hgdp) @ 4.27
15 94.7% thai (xing) + 5.3% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 4.27
16 94.7% thai (xing) + 5.3% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 4.29
17 90.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.1% makrani (hgdp) @ 4.3
18 94.8% thai (xing) + 5.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 4.31
19 90.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.6% bhatia (harappa) @ 4.32
20 90% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 10% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 4.32

I'm not sure how the typical Malay result is like or if there is variation within (peninsular) Malays but Thailand actually has both Malay and Thai Muslims (as well as Chinese Muslims in the North). The former make the overwhelming majority and are concentrated in the south, but the latter exists both in the south and also in Siam/Central Thailand. Thai Muslims in Siam use Thai Sanskritic names while those in the south use Arabic-derived ones. Given that the first reference is Thai and the Malay-Singapore result is much more distant, it is possible that this individual may be from the Thai Muslim community depending on his/her matches. Another possibility would be ethnic Cham, who also exist in peninsular Malaysia.

[okarinaofsteiner]

I'm not sure how the typical Malay result is like or if there is variation within (peninsular) Malays but Thailand actually has both Malay and Thai Muslims (as well as Chinese Muslims in the North). The former make the overwhelming majority and are concentrated in the south, but the latter exists both in the south and also in Siam/Central Thailand. Thai Muslims in Siam use Thai Sanskritic names while those in the south use Arabic-derived ones. Given that the first reference is Thai and the Malay-Singapore result is much more distant, it is possible that this individual may be from the Thai Muslim community depending on his/her matches. Another possibility would be ethnic Cham, who also exist in peninsular Malaysia.

Why would ethnic Cham be closer to the HarappaWorld Thai reference population than to say Singapore-Malay? The difference between the two reference populations is that Thai is more NE-Asian. Cham are also an Austronesian speaking ethnic group, and there's no reason to believe that their Austroasiatic admixture is more "NEA-like" (or since this is HarappaWorld, Naga-like) than that in Malays.

[Kulin]

Why would ethnic Cham be closer to the HarappaWorld Thai reference population than to say Singapore-Malay? The difference between the two reference populations is that Thai is more NE-Asian. Cham are also an Austronesian speaking ethnic group, and there's no reason to believe that their Austroasiatic admixture is more "NEA-like" (or since this is HarappaWorld, Naga-like) than that in Malays.

Yes, they're probably not quite like the Thai reference but their closest reference should still be khmer and/or Thai which makes sense given that Champa is adjacent to the Kampuchea/Laos, with the kinh being relatively late-comers. I don't think they're particularly close to insular Austronesians or peninsular Malays, but rather likely derived from an Indianised Austroasiatic group + Austronesian, with the former predominating. They probably have higher "Northern" admixture as compared to Malays. Here are some (assumed) Cham HarappaWorld results posted by Tsakhur on another forum.