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    Are Cypriots Greek at all?

    They speak Greek, but they don't seem to be from Greek DNA.

    Target: Cypriot
    Distance: 7.4674% / 7.46740889
    83.4 Lebanese_Christian
    16.6 Greek

    Distance to: Cypriot
    9.18185167 Lebanese_Christian
    13.45852889 Samaritan
    20.65197811 Armenian_West
    24.81113460 Armenian_East
    27.10097853 GR_Peloponese
    28.01070510 Greek
    28.47335850 GR_Macedonia
    29.34434699 Greek_Thessaly


    Does this mean that they are native Levantines who somehow began to speak Greek?

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    I would think they would be a reasonable blend of Turkish and Greek since that's what they speak and based on proximity. They are obviously extreme East Mediterranean so I can see why there would be considerable overlap with other near-by costal populations. however, ~83% Lebanese? come on. if you try other population groups you could a lot closer than a distance of 7.xxx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracow View Post
    They speak Greek, but they don't seem to be from Greek DNA.

    Target: Cypriot
    Distance: 7.4674% / 7.46740889
    83.4 Lebanese_Christian
    16.6 Greek

    Distance to: Cypriot
    9.18185167 Lebanese_Christian
    13.45852889 Samaritan
    20.65197811 Armenian_West
    24.81113460 Armenian_East
    27.10097853 GR_Peloponese
    28.01070510 Greek
    28.47335850 GR_Macedonia
    29.34434699 Greek_Thessaly


    Does this mean that they are native Levantines who somehow began to speak Greek?
    Bad fit.
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    Target: Nino
    Distance: 1.5423% / 0.01542331
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    8.4 FIN_Levanluhta_IA2


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    Most places in the world genetic admixture simply consists of a mix of their neighbors, and Cyprus is no exception. Obviously they have admixture that is similar to a mix of Anatolian, Levantine and Greek, due to the position of the island.

    But I will say that I believe Cypriot admixture appears even closer to modern Levantines because the latter have had an increased Greco-Anatolian admixture compared to the ancient samples, which is apparent especially with the difference of Levant_Beirut_IAII and Levant_Beirut_IAIII.

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    Distance to:	Cypriot
    0.02612460	ITA_Rome_Imperial
    0.03118157	ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.03241958	Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    0.03280016	IND_Roopkund_B_o
    0.03301120	TUR_Ovaoren_EBA
    0.03417931	Levant_LBN_MA_o3
    0.03479418	Levant_LBN_Roman
    0.03523072	TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    0.03610265	Levant_LBN_MA
    0.03644389	Levant_Ashkelon_IA1
    0.03648607	TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    0.03708028	TUR_Arslantepe_LC
    0.04171803	TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
    0.04326839	SYR_Ebla_EMBA
    0.04426656	TUR_Barcin_C
    0.04470607	TUR_Isparta_EBA
    0.04478196	Levant_Beirut_ERoman
    0.04521647	TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC
    0.04559344	TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    0.04685774	ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
    0.04709226	Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    0.04872562	Levant_Abel_IA
    0.04937512	Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
    0.04982193	TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    0.05016463	IND_Roopkund_B
    0.05182379	Levant_Canaanite_MBA
    0.05446253	Levant_Beirut_IAII
    0.05459481	Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
    0.05628517	Levant_ISR_MLBA
    0.05700965	Levant_Baqah_BA
    0.05706363	AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
    0.05720268	Levant_Megiddo_IA
    0.05784419	ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
    0.05851671	Levant_Hazor_MLBA
    0.05893510	TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
    0.06019916	TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
    0.06040828	Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
    0.06290414	ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
    0.06462492	Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD
    0.06497519	ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance
    0.06516684	GRC_Mycenaean
    0.06597655	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    0.06668543	Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1
    0.06818299	ARM_Areni_C
    0.06851189	BGR_Krepost_N
    0.06934577	Levant_LBN_MA_o4
    0.07079143	Levant_Yehud_IBA
    0.07172077	ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
    0.07287746	DEU_MA_o
    0.07339117	Levant_Megiddo_IBA
    0.07405212	IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
    0.07464406	TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC
    0.07635141	BGR_IA
    A modern comparison:





    Greeks from Kos can represent a mixture of Anatolian and Greek admixture themselves, and Samaritan's seem to be the modern people in the Levant with the least amount of external admixture.

    Also, it's good to remember that lots of the newer Levantine and Anatolian admixture in Cyprus probably came from people who saw themselves as Greeks (or back then, Romans/Byzantines). It would be good to see how different Cyprus is now compared to some more ancient samples.
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    Cypriots are absolutely Greek, regardless of how they model on these tools. Ethnicity does not equal genetic populations, it is based on self-identification, shared culture, history, etc.

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    They have been Greek for thousands of years and are Greek. The issue is that youíre looking at the modern map of Greece and forgetting Greeks historically inhabited a much wider area which spanned three continents so logically there will be great genetic diversity. I would not consider Cypriots European but I would consider them Greek and that isnít a contradictory statement because some identities transcend continental boundaries.

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    They are a blent of northwest Cannaite population, a bronze Age Anatolian similar population group and Greeks. Their steppe admixture is probably coming from Greeks. Thought it depends the individual some of them plot more to Aegean spectrum while others to the Levant.
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    They would be Greek even if they were 100% Sidon BA-like. Greeks are like Jews; they are not a genetic monolith.

    As for the genetic history of the Levantine component on the island, we don't have any relevant ancient DNA so we have no idea how the Cypriot gene pool formed. The best we can do is make some educated guesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    They would be Greek even if they were 100% Sidon BA-like. Greeks are like Jews; they are not a genetic monolith.

    As for the genetic history of the Levantine component on the island, we don't have any relevant ancient DNA so we have no idea how the Cypriot gene pool formed. The best we can do is make some educated guesses.
    Great post. But is Very likely the native populations of the island before the Greek colonization to be a population like the other northwest Cannanite tribes similar to pheonicians,Amorites and Israelites.
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Great post. But is Very likely the native populations of the island before the Greek colonization to be a population like the other northwest Cannanite tribes similar to pheonicians,Amorites and Israelites.
    Maybe so, but couldn't they also have been Anatolian BA-like before Phoenician colonization?
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