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Thread: ***Big News*** - Basal and North Eurasian split in South Asia; No Aryan Migration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryukendo View Post
    This is a huge nothingburger. The first image you posted shows that basically all the stats are not statistically significantly different from zero. The second and third images (the "trend") again, all the stats are definitely not significantly different from zero (all z scores close to 0.05) and, with all the "wrong placements" that there isn't even any trend. In fact you're trying to say that there are statistically significant differences between the populations that form a trend, and given the prior lack of difference from zero there is almost no signal to prove anything really.
    Only the first image I posted (f4 with Ong and Jarawa) has issues with statitiscal significance. But that issue doesnt exist when we look at it with f3s, where the z-scores are all above 30 or so. There, ANE scores higher, and Basal lower, for f3(Ong, Pop, Jarawa), and when we reverse it, f3(Jarawa, Pop; Ong) Basal scores higher than ANE. It is clear.

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    The only signature that is there are the small portions (<=10%) of ASI in Iranic populations, including Scythians and Sarmatians who in turn spread it into central Asia (foremost Turks).
    Already Armenians lack it as well as all the other IE groups.

    So yes there is a south Asian signature there but it is limited to Iranics and almost certainly comes from BMAC. It shows that Iranic expansion is deeply connected to BMAC.
    Possible older connections of the basic components are outside the timescope for IE language.

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    You are talking about Indo European migrations in the Bronze Age. I agree, and have stated in my first post, that there is an Iranian (and Anatolian Farmer, CHG) type signal associated with BA steppe groups vs older EHG and Siberians (EHG, Botai, MA1) etc

    But here i am not talking about that, I am talking about Basal and North Eurasians stemming from South Asia, hence the ANE in South Asia is indigenous and cannot be used to argue for an Aryan Migration.

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    We also know that

    f4(Kalash, EHG_Sidelkino; Ong, Chimp) = 2.8 or so, which is not much at all. So EHG has a very similar relationship to ASI compared to Kalash. This is consistent with ANE leaving South Asia, not coming in.

    The f3 I posted earlier, f3(Ong, Pop; Yoruba) actually shows that there is MORE Ong in EHG, MA1, Ust Ishim than in Kalash, probably due to older populations being less drifted than modern ones, or basal admixture in Kalash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patarames View Post
    The only signature that is there are the small portions (<=10%) of ASI in Iranic populations, including Scythians and Sarmatians who in turn spread it into central Asia (foremost Turks).
    Already Armenians lack it as well as all the other IE groups.

    So yes there is a south Asian signature there but it is limited to Iranics and almost certainly comes from BMAC. It shows that Iranic expansion is deeply connected to BMAC.
    Possible older connections of the basic components are outside the timescope for IE language.
    I'm not aware of any ASI in Scythians and Sarmatians, not by and large anyway. You might be able to squeeze some out in a few samples, but even that's doubtful IMHO.

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