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    Wow, thank you for this.

    Why do you think the results from these studies show continuity if Poles aren't native to Poland?

    Also, weren't the two early Slavs from Czechia mistaken as Czech Bell Beakers, hinting at genetic continuity? According to Eurogenes, they're very similar to modern Czechs, western Poles, and East Germans. https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/...m-bohemia.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Many Poles are genetically much closer to East Slavs than to other West Slavs. I would even say a lot of Poles from the eastern part of the country are almost indistinguishable from Ukrainians, Belarusians and West Russians.
    On the othersie many Southwest Ukrainians cluster closer with Slovaks and Hungarians than with Russians or Belarusians for example.
    So if east Poles are very similar to Ukrainians, Belarusians, and West Russians, who do north, south, and western Poles cluster close with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Spence View Post
    Wow, thank you for this.

    Why do you think the results from these studies show continuity if Poles aren't native to Poland?

    Also, weren't the two early Slavs from Czechia mistaken as Czech Bell Beakers, hinting at genetic continuity? According to Eurogenes, they're very similar to modern Czechs, western Poles, and East Germans. https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/...m-bohemia.html
    It is not always easy to distingush Pre-Slavic and Proto-Slavic input and elements. We are talking here about groups which often had a very similar genetic profile with a lot of shared uniparental markers especially mtdna. A Bell Beaker, Unetician or Iron Age Germanic is not that different from a Proto-Slav from the Pripyat marshes when you ignore the ethnic specific drift. All of them are Corded Ware-derived groups with GAC-admix. Only the proportions of Steppe/GAC/HG differed a bit but in the case of Iron Age Germaics and early Slavs they were very very similar here.

    Also Poland had some other Balto-Slavic groups in the most northeastern part of the country and this groups were so extremely similar to early Slavs with a lot of shared genetic drift, that it will be almost impossible for us to distingush 100% correctly between Proto-Slavic and other Balto-Slavic ancestry.
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    As far as I know, there were no ancient DNA studies specifically about ancient Slavic peoples. Of course the biggest problem is that ancient Slavic peoples creamted their dead. Still, it would be good to analyze whatever is possible to analyze.

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    Actually, thinking about it: are there any uncremated remains of ancient Slavic peoples? There could have been cases when for some reasons remains were not cremated? Does anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Actually, thinking about it: are there any uncremated remains of ancient Slavic peoples? There could have been cases when for some reasons remains were not cremated? Does anyone know?
    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Actually, thinking about it: are there any uncremated remains of ancient Slavic peoples? There could have been cases when for some reasons remains were not cremated? Does anyone know?
    how ancient would be ancient? there are several inhumation sites in east germany of the former wends/elbeslavs ?7th/8th-12thc. and from what i know of several sites in bavaria of the moinwinidi (upper franconia) and nabawinidi (upper palatinate) that are inhumation(incl. weaponry) necropolises; but 8th century -carolingian time, dates the earliest

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    Well, something like 6th century would be better, but analyses of Polabian Slavs of course would be great.

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    These aDNA samples (including Y-DNA and auDNA analysis) should be published soon. Apparently, we could expect some surprising results.

    "The biological material came from archaeological sites distributed across Poland. In total we examined 344 ancient human teeth, including 161 Roman Iron Age and medieval individuals from our previous studies, detailed description is available in and 183 medieval individuals from Ląd [37], Obłaczkowo [10], Brzeg [2], Gołuń [6], Poznań–Śródka [12], Opole [41], Końskie [9], Płońsk [20], Ostrów Lednicki [20], Dziekanowice [21], and Warszawa [5] (data to be published)."

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    Medieval R-L1029 samples. If I missed any, please let me know. The earliest R-L1029 samples come from Great Moravian elites (to be published).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    It is not always easy to distingush Pre-Slavic and Proto-Slavic input and elements.
    I'm expecting similar auDNA results and non-Slavic Y-DNA clades from Germanic-speaking Goths and Vandals. Nothing else...

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