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    Y-dna of ethnic Macedonians from four DNA studies

    I've analysed the str haplotypes of 386 ethnic Macedonians from four different studies:

    - Y-chromosomal STR haplotypes in Macedonian population samples
    - A global analysis of Y-chromosomal haplotype diversity for 23 STR loci
    - Paternal and Maternal Lineages in the Balkans Show a Homogeneous Landscape Over Linguistic Barriers, Except for the Isolated Aromuns
    - Population genetics of 8 Y chromosome STR loci in Macedonians and Macedonian Romani (Gypsy)

    If you find any mistake in the haplotype prediction pls let me know...

     

    Y-chromosomal STR haplotypes in Macedonian population samples
    DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389i DYS392 DYS389ii n
    1 13 24 13 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 (8)==>E-V13
    2 13 24 16 11 14-15 0 0 13 13 11 31 (3)==>I2a-Y3120
    3 13 25 16 11 11-14 0 0 12 13 11 30 (3)==>R1a-Z280-Z92
    4 13 24 14 11 11-11 $ $ 12 13 13 29 (3)==>R1b-BY611
    5 13 24 13 10 17-18 $ $ 12 13 11 30 (3)==>E-V13
    6 13 24 16 11 14-14 $ $ 13 13 11 32 (2)==>I2a-Y3120
    7 13 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 31 (2)==>I2a-Y3120
    8 13 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 31 (2)==>I2a-Y3120
    9 13 25 16 11 11-15 $ $ 11 13 11 30 (2)==>R1a-Z280-Z92
    10 13 22 14 10 14-14 $ $ 12 12 11 28 (2)==>I1
    11 13 24 13 10 16-19 $ $ 13 14 11 31 (2)==>E-V13
    12 13 25 13 10 16-18 $ $ 12 13 11 30 (2)==>E-V13
    13 13 24 13 10 16-18 $ $ 13 13 11 30 (2)==>E-V13
    14 13 24 13 10 16-17 $ $ 12 13 11 30 (2)==>E-V13
    15 13 24 17 10 14-14 $ $ 10 14 11 31 ==>E-M35
    16 13 24 17 11 14-16 $ $ 13 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    17 13 24 17 10 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    18 13 24 17 10 13-15 $ $ 14 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    19 13 24 17 11 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    20 13 24 17 11 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    21 14 24 17 10 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    22 14 25 17 10 12-16 $ $ 11 13 11 30 ==>I2a-L161-Y13338
    23 14 24 17 11 14-15 $ $ 12 13 12 30 ==>I2a-M223
    24 14 24 17 10 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 30 ==>I2a-Y3120
    25 13 24 16 10 15-15 $ $ 13 14 11 33 ==>I2a-Y3120
    26 13 24 16 12 15-15 $ $ 13 14 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    27 13 24 16 11 15-15 $ $ 14 14 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    28 13 24 16 11 15-15 $ $ 13 14 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    29 13 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 13 14 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    30 13 24 16 10 14-15 $ $ 13 14 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    31 13 25 16 11 14-15 $ $ 13 14 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    32 13 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    33 13 24 16 11 14-14 $ $ 14 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    34 13 24 16 11 13-15 $ $ 13 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    35 13 24 16 10 14-16 $ $ 13 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    36 13 24 16 10 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 32 ==>I2a-Y3120
    37 14 24 16 11 15-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120-S17250-Y4882-A10230
    38 13 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 11 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    39 13 24 16 11 13-16 $ $ 12 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    40 13 24 16 10 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    41 13 24 16 10 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    42 13 23 16 11 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    43 14 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>I2a-Y3120
    44 13 24 16 11 14-15 $ $ 14 13 11 30 ==>I2a-Y3120
    45 13 23 16 11 14-14 $ $ 13 13 11 30 ==>I2a-Y3120
    46 13 25 16 10 11-14 $ $ 11 13 11 29 ==>R1a-M458-L1029
    47 13 24 16 10 14-15 $ $ 14 12 11 30 ==>I2a-Y3120
    48 13 25 15 11 11-14 $ $ 10 14 11 31 ==>R1a-Z93
    49 13 23 15 10 12-15 $ $ 12 14 11 30 ==>I2-S21825-L333
    50 14 22 15 10 13-14 $ $ 11 14 11 30 ==>G2a2a-L91
    51 13 24 15 10 14-16 $ $ 15 13 11 33 ==>I2a-Y3120
    52 13 25 15 10 11-12 $ $ 10 13 11 31 ==>R1a-Z280-Z92
    53 14 24 15 11 14-16 $ $ 12 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    54 13 24 15 11 15-15 $ $ 12 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    55 13 24 15 11 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120
    56 12 23 15 10 13-16 $ $ 11 13 11 31 ==>G2b-M3155
    57 13 25 15 11 11-14 $ $ 11 13 11 30 ==>R1a-Z280-Z92-CTS4648
    58 13 25 15 11 11-14 $ $ 10 13 11 30 ==>R1a-Z280-Z92-CTS4648
    59 13 25 15 10 11-12 $ $ 10 13 11 30 ==>R1a-Z280-Z92
    60 12 23 15 10 18-19 $ $ 11 13 11 30 ==>J1a3-Z1828
    61 12 23 15 10 13-17 $ $ 11 13 11 30 ==>J1a-P58
    62 12 22 15 10 9-16 $ $ 12 13 14 30 ==>L1c-M357
    63 12 22 15 10 15-15 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>J2a1-M67
    64 13 25 15 10 11-14 $ $ 12 13 11 29 ==>R1a-M458-L1029
    65 12 24 15 11 12-15 $ $ 13 13 13 29 ==>R1b-Z2103
    66 12 24 15 11 12-15 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-Z2103
    67 13 24 15 11 13-14 $ $ 13 13 11 29 ==>G2a2a-PF3147-L91
    68 13 24 15 10 15-15 $ $ 12 13 11 29 ==>C1-PH407
    69 14 21 15 10 13-14 $ $ 11 13 11 29 ==>G2a2b1-M406
    70 13 25 15 10 11-15 $ $ 11 13 11 28 ==>R1a-Z280-CTS1211
    71 12 24 15 10 14-17 $ $ 11 12 11 29 ==>J2b2a-M241
    72 16 22 15 11 15-15 $ $ 11 12 11 29 ==>G2a
    73 13 22 15 10 13-14 $ $ 11 12 12 29 ==>G2a
    74 13 22 15 10 12-14 $ $ 11 12 11 29 ==>G2a
    75 12 24 15 11 14-18 $ $ 12 12 11 28 ==>J2b2a-M241
    76 13 24 15 10 15-18 $ $ 12 12 11 28 ==>J2b2a-M241
    77 12 24 15 10 13-16 $ $ 12 12 11 28 ==>J2b2a-M241
    78 12 24 15 10 10-17 $ $ 11 12 11 28 ==>J2b2a-M241
    79 13 22 15 10 13-16 $ $ 11 12 12 28 ==>G2a2
    80 13 24 14 10 15-17 $ $ 12 14 11 31 ==>E-M123
    81 13 24 14 10 14-17 $ $ 12 14 11 31 ==>E-M123
    82 13 23 14 10 14-17 $ $ 11 14 15 31 ==>T-L131-PH141
    83 13 23 14 10 14-17 $ $ 11 14 13 31 ==>T-PF5633
    84 12 26 14 10 14-16 $ $ 11 14 11 30 ==>J2a1-Z6046
    85 14 24 14 10 17-19 $ $ 11 14 14 30 ==>Q1-M346-Z780
    86 13 24 14 11 14-15 $ $ 13 13 11 31 ==>I2a-Y3120-PH908-Y56203
    87 12 24 14 11 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 30 ==>R1b-Z2103
    88 12 24 14 10 12-15 $ $ 12 13 13 30 ==>R1b-Z2103
    89 12 24 14 10 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 30 ==>R1b-Z2103
    90 13 24 14 10 16-18 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>E-V13
    91 12 23 14 10 13-15 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>J1a-P58
    92 12 24 14 12 11-14 $ $ 13 13 13 29 ==>R1b-Z2103
    93 13 24 14 11 11-15 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-L51
    94 13 24 14 11 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-L51
    95 11 24 14 11 11-14 $ $ 12 13 12 29 ==>R1b-L51-L21-DF13
    96 12 24 14 10 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-Z2103
    97 12 24 14 10 10-14 $ $ 14 13 13 29 ==>R1b-Z2103
    98 13 23 14 11 11-11 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-BY611
    99 13 23 14 10 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-L51
    100 13 23 14 10 13-15 $ $ 10 13 11 29 ==>J2a1-M67-S25258-S21160
    101 12 22 14 11 14-19 $ $ 11 13 11 29 ==>J1a2-P58
    102 13 22 14 10 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 29 ==>R1b-L51
    103 13 24 14 11 11-14 $ $ 12 13 13 28 ==>R1b-L51
    104 12 23 14 10 11-14 $ $ 13 13 14 28 ==>R1b-Z2103
    105 13 23 14 10 15-19 $ $ 12 13 13 28 ==>T1-PF5633
    106 13 22 14 11 13-15 $ $ 11 12 11 29 ==>I1
    107 12 24 14 10 14-17 $ $ 11 12 11 28 ==>J2b2a-M241-PH2967
    108 13 22 14 10 13-13 $ $ 11 12 12 28 ==>I1
    109 13 22 14 10 13-14 $ $ 11 12 11 28 ==>I1
    110 13 22 14 10 12-13 $ $ 11 12 11 28 ==>I1-DF29-Y14628
    111 13 24 13 10 16-18 $ $ 12 14 11 31 ==>E-V13
    112 13 23 13 10 14-16 $ $ 11 14 13 30 ==>T1-L131-CTS933
    113 13 24 13 10 17-21 $ $ 12 13 11 31 ==>E-V13
    114 13 25 13 10 17-20 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>E-V13
    115 13 25 13 10 16-19 $ $ 11 13 11 30 ==>E-M123-M34-Z841-Z21466
    116 13 24 13 10 16-21 $ $ 11 13 11 30 ==>E-V13
    117 13 24 13 10 16-18 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>E-V13
    118 13 24 13 10 15-18 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>E-V13
    119 13 23 13 10 16-18 $ $ 12 13 11 30 ==>E-V13
    120 12 24 13 11 11-13 $ $ 13 13 13 29 ==>R1b-Z2103
    121 13 23 13 10 14-17 $ $ 11 13 13 29 ==>T1-L131-CTS933
    122 14 24 13 10 16-18 $ $ 11 13 11 29 ==>E-M123
    123 13 24 13 10 16-17 $ $ 13 13 11 29 ==>E-V13
    124 13 23 13 10 16-18 $ $ 12 13 11 29 ==>E-V13
    125 13 24 13 10 16-18 $ $ 12 13 11 28 ==>E-M123
    126 14 21 15-16 10 13-14 $ $ 11 13 11 29 ==>G2a2a-PF3147

    n=150
    E1b-V13 = 29 = 19.33%
    E1b-(xV13) = 6 = 4%
    I2a1b-Y3120 = 43 = 28.66%
    I2a(xY3120) = 3 = 2.66%
    R1a-Z280 = 10 = 6.66%
    R1a-M458 = 2 = 1.33%
    R1a-Z93 = 1 = 0.66%
    R1b-Z2103 = 10 = 6.66%
    R1b-BY611 = 4 = 2.66%
    R1b-L51 = 6 = 4%
    J2a = 3 = 2%
    J2b2-M241 = 6 = 4%
    J1 = 4 = 2.66%
    I1 = 6 = 4%
    G2 = 9 = 6%
    G2a = 8 = 5.33%
    G2b = 1 = 0.66%
    T = 5 = 3.33%
    Q = 1 = 0.66%
    L1c = 1 = 0.66%
    C1 = 1 = 0.66%


     

    A global analysis of Y-chromosomal haplotype diversity for 23 STR loci
    DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389i DYS392 DYS389ii DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448
    13 24 13 11 11-13 0 0 12 14 13 30 18 15 19 R1b-L51
    13 24 14 11 11-14 0 0 10 13 11 31 15 14 20 R1a-Z93-Z2122
    12 25 12 11 11-14 0 0 12 14 12 31 16 15 19 R1b-M269-L23-Z2103-L584-PF7580
    12 22 14 10 15-17 0 0 11 13 11 29 18 14 19 H1a1a-M82
    13 23 12 10 14-18 0 0 11 13 13 29 17 15 19 T1-M70-L131
    13 24 15 10 14-15 0 0 12 13 11 31 17 15 20 I2a1b3-North(S17250-Z16971)
    13 24 13 11 14-15 0 0 13 13 11 31 17 15 19 I2a1b3-South(PH908-Y134578)
    13 24 14 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 31 16 14 20 E1b1b-V22
    12 24 14 10 14-18 0 0 11 12 11 28 15 16 19 J2b2a-Z638-Z1297-Y23094
    12 24 13 11 11-16 0 0 11 12 13 29 17 15 19 R1b-L51-DF27-CTS4188
    13 24 12 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 31 16 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 24 14 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 31 16 14 20 E1b1b-V22
    13 24 12 10 16-21 0 0 12 14 11 31 15 14 19 E1b1b-V13-BY3880
    12 23 13 10 13-18 0 0 11 13 11 31 17.2 14 20 J1a2a1a2-P58-Z640-FGC5230
    13 24 12 10 16-19 0 0 12 13 11 30 17 14 20 E1b1b-V13-Z5018-S2979-FGC33621
    12 24 14 10 13-17 0 0 15 12 11 28 16 16 19 J2b2a-Z638-Z1297-FT33373
    13 24 12 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 20 14 20 E1b1b-V13-CTS9320-Z38456
    14 24 15 11 14-16 0 0 12 13 11 31 17 15 19 I2a1b3-South(S17250)
    13 24 14 11 11-15 0 0 10 13 11 28 15 14 20 R1a-Z280
    14 24 12 9 16-16 0 0 12 13 11 29 17 14 20 E1b1b-M123-M34-Y4972
    13 25 14 10 11-12 0 0 11 13 11 29 15 14 20 R1a-M458-L1029
    14 24 12 9 16-16 0 0 12 13 11 30 17 14 20 E1b1b-M123-M34-Y4972
    13 24 12 10 15-17 0 0 13 13 11 30 15 14 16 E1b1b-M35
    13 24 12 11 13-14 0 0 12 13 11 29 18 14 20 E1b1b-M81-PF2546
    13 24 15 11 11-14 0 0 11 13 11 30 15 14 20 R1a-Z280-CTS1211
    13 24 15 11 11-16 0 0 11 14 11 31 16 14 20 I2a1-L161.1-Y3749
    13 24 12 10 16-17 0 0 11 13 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    14 24 12 9 16-16 0 0 12 13 11 29 17 14 20 E1b1b-M123-M34-Y4972
    15 23 14 10 15-15 0 0 11 14 12 32 16 14 20 I2a2a-M223-S2361
    13 25 12 10 16-17 0 0 12 13 11 29 17 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 25 12 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 16 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 25 14 11 11-14 0 0 10 14 11 31 15 14 21 R1a-Z93
    13 24 12 10 18-20 0 0 12 13 11 30 14 14 20 E1b1b-V22-BY7446
    13 24 15 10 14-15 0 0 12 13 11 31 17 15 20 I2a1b3-North(S17250-Z16971)
    13 24 12 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 20 14 20 E1b1b-V13-Z38456
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 13 13 11 32 17 15 20 I2a1b3-North(Z17855)
    12 24 13 10 14-17 0 0 12 12 11 29 15 16 19 J2b2a-Z638-PH1751
    13 24 13 11 11-14 0 0 12 14 13 30 16 15 19 R1b-L51-P312-U152-BY3620
    12 24 13 10 16-20 0 0 12 13 11 30 14 14 20 E1b1b-V22
    13 24 15 10 14-15 0 0 14 13 11 31 16 15 20 I2a1b3-North(Y4460)
    13 24 12 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 19 14 20 E1b1b-V13-CTS9320-Z38456
    12 23 13 10 13-18 0 0 12 13 11 29 17.2 14 20 J2a-M67-S25258
    13 22 14 10 14-14 0 0 12 12 11 29 16 16 21 G2a2-L497-Y128028
    13 24 12 10 16-17 0 0 12 13 11 31 17 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    15 23 14 10 15-15 0 0 11 13 12 31 15 14 20 I2a2a-M223-Z78
    13 24 14 11 14-14 0 0 13 13 11 31 18 15 21 I2a1b3-North(Z17855)
    13 24 12 10 17-17 0 0 11 12 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13-PH1246-BY14151-BY14160
    13 24 12 10 15-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 15 14 19 E1b1b-V13-Z5018-L17
    13 24 14 11 14-15 0 0 14 13 11 31 16.1 15 20 I2a1b3-North
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 13 13 11 31 17 15 19 I2a1b3-South(PH908)
    13 24 13 10 11-11 0 0 12 13 13 29 16 15 19 R1b-Z2103-BY611
    13 25 14 10 11-14 0 0 11 12 11 30 15 14 20 R1a-Z93
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 12 13 11 31 17 15 19 I2a1b3-South(PH908)
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 14 13 11 32 16 15 19 I2a1b3-South(PH908)
    13 25 15 11 11-14 0 0 10 13 11 30 15 14 20 R1a-Z280-L366
    12 23 14 9 13-16 0 0 14 12 11 28 14 14 21 J2a1-Z387-L70
    13 24 12 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 25 16 10 11-14 0 0 10 13 11 29 13 14 20 R1a-Z280-YP4278
    13 25 15 10 11-14 0 0 11 14 11 31 16 14 20 R1a-M458-L1029-YP263
    13 24 15 11 14-14 0 0 12 14 11 34 17 15 20 I2a1b3-North(Y4460)
    11 24 13 11 11-11 0 0 12 13 13 29 15 15 19 R1b-Z2103-BY611
    13 24 12 10 16-18 0 0 13 13 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 24 12 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 20 14 20 E1b1b-V13-CTS9320-Z38456
    13 24 13 11 17-19 0 0 12 12 11 30 20 14 20 E1b1b-V13-CTS9320-Z38456
    14 24 12 10 16-19 0 0 11 13 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 23 12 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13-Z5018
    12 23 14 9 13-16 0 0 12 13 11 29 14 14 21 J2a1-Z387-L70
    13 25 15 11 11-14 0 0 11 13 11 30 16 14 20 R1a-Z280
    14 22 14 10 13-16 0 0 12 14 12 33 17 16 21 G2a-L91
    13 24 15 11 13-16 0 0 13 13 11 32 18 15 20 I2a1b3-North(Z17855)
    13 25 16 11 11-14 0 0 10 14 11 31 15 14 20 R1a-Z280-FGC10360
    13 24 12 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 17 14 20 E1b1b-V13-CTS9320
    13 22 13 11 13-15 0 0 11 12 11 29 15 16 20 I1
    13 24 16 10 14-15 0 0 12 14 11 31 18 15 19 I2a1b3-South
    12 23 13 10 13-14 0 0 11 13 11 29 17.2 14 20 J1a2a1a2-L858
    13 25 12 11 17-19 0 0 11 13 11 30 16 14 20 E1b1b-M35
    13 24 12 10 16-20 0 0 12 13 11 30 17 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 24 12 10 16-17 0 0 12 14 11 31 15 14 19 E1b1b-V13
    13 26 14 10 11-14 0 0 11 13 11 30 16 14 20 R1a-M458-L1029
    12 23 13 10 14-15 0 0 12 12 11 28 15 16 20 I1-L22
    13 24 12 10 17-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 20 14 20 E1b1b-V13-Z38456
    12 23 14 9 13-16 0 0 12 13 11 29 14 14 21 J2a1-Z387-L70-Z2177
    13 23 15 10 11-14 0 0 10 13 11 30 16 14 21 R1a-Z280-YP968
    12 23 14 9 13-16 0 0 14 12 11 28 14 14 21 J2a1-L70
    13 24 13 11 11-14 0 0 12 13 13 29 17 15 19 R1b-L51-U106-BY19410
    12 24 12 10 13-19 0 0 12 12 11 29 17.2 14 20 J1a2-PF7263-ZS11470-ZS9949
    13 23 16 11 14-15 0 0 13 14 11 32 18 15 19 I2a1b3-South
    12 23 14 9 13-16 0 0 14 12 11 28 14 14 21 J2a1-Z387-L70-Z2177
    13 23 13 10 14-14 0 0 11 12 11 28 16 16 20 I1
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 13 14 11 32 17 15 19 I2a1b3-South(PH908-FT14506)
    12 24 13 10 14-17 0 0 13 12 11 28 16 16 19 J2b2a-Z638-PH1751
    13 23 12 10 16-18 0 0 11 13 11 30 22 14 21 E1b1b-V13
    12 22 13 10 14-16 0 0 11 13 11 29 15 14 21 J2a1-M67-Z500
    13 24 15 11 14-14 0 0 12 14 11 33 16 15 20 I2a1b3-North(Z17855)
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 13 13 11 31 17 15 20 I2a1b3-North(S17250)
    13 24 14 10 14-16 0 0 12 13 13 29 17 14 18 T1-M70-L208-PF5633
    12 24 15 10 14-16 0 0 11 13 11 29 16 16 19 J2b2a-Z638-Z1297-Y23094
    13 24 12 10 16-18 0 0 12 14 11 31 16 14 20 E1b1b-V13-Z17264
    13 24 13 10 16-18 0 0 12 13 11 30 15 14 20 E1b1b-V13
    13 25 13 10 16-19 0 0 12 13 11 30 15 14 19 E1b1b-V13
    13 24 14 11 13-16 0 0 13 13 11 31 17 15 19 I2a1b3-South(PH908)


    n=101
    R1b-L51 = 4 = 3.96%
    R1b-Z2103-BY611 = 2 = 1.98%
    R1b-Z2103-L584 = 1 = 0.99%
    R1a-Z93 = 3 = 2.97%
    R1a-Z280 = 7 = 6.93%
    R1a-M458 = 3 = 2.97%
    I2a1b-North = 10 = 9.90%
    I2a1b-South = 9 = 8.91%
    I2a-M223 = 2 = 1.98%
    I2a-L161.1 = 1 = 0.99%
    I1 = 3 = 2.97%
    E1b1b-V13 = 26 = 25.74%
    E1b1b-M123 = 3 = 2.97%
    E1b1b-V22 = 4 = 3.96%
    E1b1b-M81 = 1 = 0.99%
    E1b1b-M35 = 2 = 1.98%
    J2a-L70 = 5 = 4.95%
    J2a-M67 = 2 = 1.98%
    J2b2-M241 = 5 = 4.95%
    J1-P58 = 3 = 2.97%
    G2a-L91 = 1 = 0.99%
    G2a2-L497-Y128028 = 1 = 0.99%
    T1-M70 = 1 = 0.99%
    T1-PF5633 = 1 = 0.99%
    H1a1-M82 = 1 = 0.99%


     

    Paternal and Maternal Lineages in the Balkans Show a Homogeneous Landscape Over Linguistic Barriers, Except for the Isolated Aromuns

    12 25 15 11 10-15 0 12 12 14 13 30 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) R1b-PF7562

    12 24 14 11 11-11 0 12 12 13 13 31 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 12 (1) R1b-Z2103-BY611

    13 25 14 11 11-14 0 13 13 13 14 30 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 12 (1) R1b-L51

    12 23 14 10 11-15 0 12 12 13 13 30 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 11 (1) R1b-Z2103-CTS9219-BY250

    13 24 14 11 11-11 0 12 12 13 13 29 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 12 (2) R1b-Z2103-BY611

    12 24 14 11 11-11 0 12 12 13 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 12 (1) R1b-Z2103-BY611

    13 25 16 10 11-14 0 12 11 14 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 11 (1) R1a-M458-L1029-YP417-YP6047

    13 25 16 10 11-14 0 12 11 14 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 11 (1) R1a-M458-L1029-YP417-YP6047

    13 25 16 10 11-11 0 12 11 14 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 11 (1) R1a-M458-L1029

    13 25 16 10 11-14 0 12 10 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (2) R1a-Z280-Y35-Y2613

    13 25 16 11 11-14 0 12 10 13 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 11 (1) R1a-Z280-Y35

    13 24 14 11 11-14 0 12 12 12 13 28 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 11 (1) R1b-L51

    12 23 14 9 14-16 0 12 12 13 14 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) T-PF5633/L208

    12 23 14 9 14-16 0 12 12 12 14 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) T-PF5633/L208

    12 23 17 9 13-16 0 16 11 13 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) J2a-Z387-L70

    12 23 16 10 12-15 0 15 11 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) J2a-Z387-FGC35503

    12 24 16 10 14-16 0 15 12 12 11 28 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 11 (1) J2b2a-M241-CTS3617

    12 23 15 9 13-16 0 16 11 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) J2a-Z387-L70-CTS3601

    12 24 15 10 14-16 0 15 12 12 11 28 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 10 (1) J2b2a-M241-Z1297

    12 22 14 9 13-17 0 15 11 13 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) J2a1-PH4970

    13 24 17 11 14-15 0 13 13 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    12 24 17 11 14-15 0 13 12 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 13 13 14 11 33 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 13 13 14 11 33 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 13 12 13 11 32 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    14 24 16 11 15-15 0 13 13 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-16 0 13 13 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (2) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-16 0 13 13 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 13 13 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120

    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 13 14 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 10 (1) I2a-Y3120-PH908-BY37513

    15 22 15 10 16-16 0 13 11 13 13 29 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 11 (1) I2a2a-M223-A427-S23612

    13 22 15 10 14-14 0 14 11 12 12 28 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 10 (1) I1

    13 22 15 10 13-14 0 14 12 12 12 28 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 10 (1) I1

    13 23 14 10 13-15 0 14 11 12 11 28 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 10 (1) I1

    14 22 15 10 13-14 0 12 12 14 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 11 (1) G2a2a-L91

    14 21 15 11 14-16 0 12 12 12 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 16 0 0 0 9 (1) G2a2b1-M406

    13 25 13 10 16-16 0 12 11 14 11 32 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) E-M123-M34-L791

    13 24 14 10 16-17 0 12 12 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-M123-M34-Y6200

    13 24 13 10 16-16 0 11 12 13 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-M123-M34-M84-PF6751

    14 24 13 10 16-16 0 12 12 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) E-M123-M34-Y4972

    13 24 13 10 17-17 0 12 13 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13-BY3880

    13 24 13 10 16-19 0 13 12 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 10 (1) E-V13-Z5018-S2979-FGC11457

    13 24 13 10 16-18 0 12 12 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13-BY4526

    13 24 13 10 16-18 0 12 12 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13-BY4526

    13 24 13 10 16-18 0 12 9 13 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13-Z17264-BY4280

    13 23 13 10 16-18 0 12 11 12 11 31 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13

    14 24 13 10 16-18 0 12 12 12 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13-Z5018-Y3183

    13 24 13 10 16-17 0 12 12 12 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 0 9 (1) E-V13


    n=51
    R1b-Z2103-BY611 - 4 - 7.84%
    R1b-Z2103 - 1 - 1.96%
    R1b-PF7562 - 1 - 1.96%
    R1b-L51 - 2 - 3.92%
    R1a-M458 - 3 - 5.88%
    R1a-Z280 - 3 - 5.88%
    J2a - 4 - 7.84%
    J2b2a- 2 - 3.92%
    I2a-Y3120 - 11 - 21.56%
    I2a-M223 - 1 - 1.96%
    I1 - 3 - 5.77%
    G2a - 2 - 3.84%
    T1 - 2 - 3.84%
    E-V13 - 8 - 15.68%
    E-M123 - 4 - 7.84%


     

    dys393 dys390 dys19 dys391 dys385 dys426 dys388 dys439 dys389i dys392 dys389ii
    13 23 13 10 14-17 0 0 0 13 13 29 (1) T1-L131
    13 24 13 10 15-16 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V12-BY8673
    13 24 13 10 16-17 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 23 13 10 16-18 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 24 13 10 16-18 0 0 0 13 11 30 (6) E1b-V13
    14 24 13 10 16-18 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 24 13 10 16-18 0 0 0 13 12 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 25 13 10 16-18 0 0 0 13 11 30 (3) E1b-V13
    13 25 13 10 16-19 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 23 13 11 16-19 0 0 0 14 11 31 (1) E1b-V22
    13 24 13 10 16-20 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 24 13 11 16-21 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13
    13 25 13 11 17-19 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b-V13-Z16663
    13 23 13 11 18-19 0 0 0 13 12 30 (1) E1b-V22
    12 24 14 9 11-14 0 0 0 13 13 29 (1) R1b-Z2103
    12 24 14 10 11-14 0 0 0 13 14 29 (1) R1b-PF7562
    12 24 14 10 11-14 0 0 0 13 13 30 (1) R1b-Z2103
    11 26 14 10 11-14 0 0 0 13 13 30 (1) R1b-L51-L21
    13 22 14 10 13-13 0 0 0 12 12 28 (1) I1-Z58-L1450
    13 23 14 10 13-14 0 0 0 12 11 28 (1) I1-P109-FGC33034
    12 24 14 10 13-17 0 0 0 12 11 28 (1) J2b2a-M241
    13 22 14 10 13-17 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) J2a1a-M67-Z500
    12 23 14 10 13-17 0 0 0 14 11 30 (1) J2a1-PF5368
    13 23 14 10 13-17 0 0 0 14 11 31 (1) G2b-M3155
    13 22 14 10 14-14 0 0 0 12 11 28 (1) I1
    12 22 14 10 14-16 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) J2a1-M67-Z500
    12 24 14 10 14-16 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) J2a1-M67-Y95270
    12 24 14 10 14-17 0 0 0 12 11 28 (1) J2b2a-M241-PH2967
    12 24 14 10 14-18 0 0 0 12 11 29 (1) J2b2a-M241-PH2967
    13 24 14 10 19-19 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) E1b1b-V22
    13 25 15 10 10-14 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) R1a-M458
    13 25 15 10 11-12 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) R1a-Z280-Z1907
    13 25 15 9 11-14 0 0 0 13 11 31 (1) R1a-Z93
    13 25 15 11 11-15 0 0 0 12 11 29 (1) R1a-Z280-CTS1211
    13 25 15 10 11-15 0 0 0 14 11 30 (1) R1a-Z280-CTS1211
    12 22 15 10 12-15 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) I2c1a1-L1251.1
    14 21 15 11 13-15 0 0 0 12 11 28 (1) G2a2b1-M406
    12 23 15 9 13-16 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) J2a1-Z387-L70
    13 22 15 10 14-14 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) G2a2a-L497-Y128028
    14 22 15 11 14-15 0 0 0 12 11 29 (1) G2a2b2a1b-L497
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 24 15 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 33 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    14 24 15 11 14-16 0 0 0 13 11 31 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    12 22 15 11 14-18 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) J2a1-M67-Z467
    13 24 15 10 15-15 0 0 0 13 11 29 (1) C1-PH407
    13 24 15 11 15-15 0 0 0 13 11 31 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120-Z17855
    14 23 15 10 15-16 0 0 0 11 10 28 (1) G2a1-U1-Z7940
    15 22 15 10 15-17 0 0 0 13 13 29 (1) I2a2a-M223-BY13707
    12 23 15 10 15-19 0 0 0 12 12 28 (1) J2b1-M205
    12 23 15 10 16-19 0 0 0 12 12 28 (1) J2b1-M205
    13 25 16 10 11-11 0 0 0 14 11 30 (1) R1a-M458-L1029
    15 25 16 10 11-13 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) R1a-M458
    13 24 16 10 11-14 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) R1a-M458-L1029
    13 25 16 10 11-14 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) R1a-M458-L1029
    13 25 16 11 11-14 0 0 0 13 11 30 (2) R1a-Z280
    13 25 16 11 11-15 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) R1a-Z280
    13 24 16 11 13-14 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120-Z17855
    13 24 16 11 13-15 0 0 0 13 11 32 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    14 23 16 10 14-15 0 0 0 12 12 29 (1) G2a2-Z6885
    13 24 16 10 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120-Z17855-BY45622
    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120-PH908
    13 24 16 10 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 31 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 31 (7) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 24 16 10 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 32 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 24 16 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 32 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120-Z17855
    13 25 16 11 14-17 0 0 0 13 11 31 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 24 16 10 16-19 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) J2a2-PF5008
    13 24 17 12 14-14 0 0 0 13 11 30 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 23 17 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 31 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120
    13 24 17 11 14-15 0 0 0 13 11 32 (1) I2a1b3-Y3120-Z17855

    n=84
    R1b = 4 = 4.76%
    R1b-Z2103 = 2 = 2.38%
    R1b-PF7562 = 1 = 1.19%
    R1b-L51 = 1 = 1.19%
    R1a = 12 = 14.28%
    R1a-M458 = 5 = 5.95%
    R1a-Z280 = 6 = 7.14%
    R1a-Z93 = 1 = 1.19%
    I2 = 24 = 28.57%
    I2a-Y3120 = 22 = 26.19%
    I2a-M223 = 1 = 1.19%
    I2c-L1251.1 = 1 = 1.19%
    I1 = 3 = 3.57%
    E1b = 21 = 25%
    E-V13 = 17 = 20.23%
    E-V22 = 3 = 3.57%
    E-V12 = 1 = 1.19%
    J2b2 = 3 = 3.57%
    J2b1 = 2 = 2.38%
    J2a = 7 = 8.33%
    J2a-M67 = 4 = 4.76%
    J2a-Z387 = 1 = 1.19%
    J2a(xM67,xZ387) = 2 = 2.38%
    G2 = 6 = 7.14%
    G2a = 5 = 5.95%
    G2b = 1 = 1.19%
    T1 = 1 = 1.19%
    C1 = 1 = 1.19%


    The combined results from all four studies:

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    n=386
    
    R1b = 39 = 10.10%
    R1b-Z2103-BY611 = 10 = 2.59%
    R1b-Z2103(xBY611) = 14 = 3.62%
    R1b-PF7562 = 2 = 0.51%
    R1b-L51 = 13 = 3.36%
    
    R1a = 44 = 11.39%
    R1a-Z280 = 26 = 6.73%
    R1a-M458 = 13 = 3.36%
    R1a-Z93 = 5 = 1.29%
    
    I1 = 15 = 3.88%
    
    I2 = 104 = 26.94%
    I2a-Y3120 = 95 = 24.61%
    I2a-M223 = 5 = 1.29%
    I2a-L161.1 = 2 = 0.51%
    I2a-P37(xM423) = 1 = 0.26%
    I2c-L1251.1 = 1 = 0.26
    
    E1b-M35 = 104 = 26.94%
    E1b-V13 = 80 = 20.72%
    E1b-M123 = 12 = 3.10%
    E1b-V22 = 7 = 1.81%
    E1b-V12 = 1 = 0.26%
    E1b-M81 = 1 = 0.26%%
    E1b-M35 = 3 = 0.77%
    
    J2 = 39 = 10.10%
    J2a-M67 = 9 = 2.33%
    J2a-Z387 = 9 = 2.33%
    J2a(xM67,xZ387) = 3 = 0.77%
    J2b2-M241 = 13 = 4.30%
    J2b1-M205 = 2 = 0.51%
    
    J1 = 7 = 1.81%
    
    G2 = 19 = 4.92%
    G2a = 17 = 4.40%
    G2b = 2 = 0.51%
    
    T1 = 10 = 2.59%
    
    Q1 = 1 = 0.26%
    
    L1c = 1 = 0.26%
    
    C1 = 2 = 0.51%
    
    H1-M82 = 1 = 0.26%


    How they caompare to their immediate neighbors:





    Conclusion:

    There is a a lot of diversity in almost every main haplogroup except maybe I2 of which more than 90% falls to a recent and expansive branch defined by the marker Y3120 which at this point there is no doubt that it's connected with the proto-Slavs.

    R1b is quite diverse, the eastern branches defined more often than not with the marker DYS393=12, make up around 2/3 of the overall R1b of which around 40% falls down to a very recent and expansive branch identified as BY611, while other branches include various Z2103* and to a lesser degree PF7562. It's overall percentage is comparable to Bulgarians and to some degree the continental Greeks.

    R1a is quite low when compared to Bulgarians and this is the main difference because the ethnic Macedonians and Bulgarians are very similar in their genetics however as you can see in the study of the Bulgarians I posted above, R1a is around 17% among the Bulgarians while Y3120 is low and the opposite is true for the ethnic Macedonians, Y3120 is found to a bigger degree than Bulgarians and R1a is low. When it comes to it's structure, Z280 is around 60% of all R1a, M458 is represented by it's subclade L1029. There is also Z93 in small percentage. The overall distribution is the most similar with the continental Greeks percentage wise.

    I1 is diverse and I couldn't find any pattern in it's diversity. Almost any branches found in the neighbors are also present among the ethnic Macedonians and it's distribution is very similar to that of it's neighbors.

    I2 as I said previously is overwhelmingly represented by Y3120 however downstream it's very diverse and almost every branch it's found including the 'Greek' one identified with the marker Y18331. When it comes to the marker DYS448 which is essential for determining the south/north division of this haplogroup, only one of these studies tested it and the overall representation was equal with only a slight advantage of DYS448=20. The overall distribution percentage wise is the most similar to that of the Bulgarians who although have less I2a than the ethnic Macedonians the difference is not that big when compared to the Greeks who have much less of this haplogroup or the Serbs who have much more.

    E1b is mostly represented by V13 and it's quite diverse at that which can be confirmed by YFULL and FTDNA. There are two BY3880* clustrs already and quite a big diversity downstream of it. M123, V22, V12, M81 are all found including some haplotypes which I couldn't identify. Overall, the biggest similarity percentage wise is with the continental Greeks.

    J2 is also very diverse with J2a and J2b2 being the most represented. Under J2a there is an equal representation of M67 and Z387. Most of Z387 however falls down to L70 while M67 is more diverse. J2b2 is mostly L283 with a solid diversity overall with PH1751 being the most dominant. J2b1-M205 was only found in one study, in that of Pericic and the two haplotypes are almost identical. Overall the structure and distribution percentage wise of this haplogroup is most similar with that of the Bulgarians. Greeks showing big difference here having lot more J2a which goes to show that J2a is probably the main and defying Greek marker that makes them different to their neighbors.

    G2 is mostly G2a and very diverse downstream, however there is some G2b as well. It's distribution percentage wise is most dimilar to that of the Bulgarians.

    All other haplogroups are found in smaller percentages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
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    Are you aware of any YP4278 in Macedonia? I see some of the CTS1211 can be YP4278, but their resolution is too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    Are you aware of any YP4278 in Macedonia? I see some of the CTS1211 can be YP4278, but their resolution is too low.
    Yeah, there are not enough markers to tell for sure...
    However in our project there is one guy with paternal origin from Klisura, Blagoevgrad, the Bulgarian part of Macedonia. He is tested positive for Y35 and negative for CTS3402.
    He is not tested for YP4278, however it's very likely that he might turn positive for that one since he is already negative for the other major subclade downstream of Y35.
    Also it's very likely that there is YP4278 in Macedonia because there are already Bulgarians and Serbs forming a branch of YP4278.
    Do you know if you are from the same branch as the Bulgarians and the Serbs on YFULL or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    Yeah, there are not enough markers to tell for sure...
    However in our project there is one guy with paternal origin from Klisura, Blagoevgrad, the Bulgarian part of Macedonia. He is tested positive for Y35 and negative for CTS3402.
    He is not tested for YP4278, however it's very likely that he might turn positive for that one since he is already negative for the other major subclade downstream of Y35.
    Also it's very likely that there is YP4278 in Macedonia because there are already Bulgarians and Serbs forming a branch of YP4278.
    Do you know if you are from the same branch as the Bulgarians and the Serbs on YFULL or something else?
    Yeah, I imagine there will be.

    Do you have his values?

    No I do not match the Serbs or Bulgarian. I am 11/37 markers differentiated with them. I likely form my own branch for now. But I am hoping someone in Macedonia will match me eventually because I know we migrated heavily into Macedonia in the past and present. I am interested in Shatku (Satku in Macedonia) from Debar as they seem to be potentially YP4278, although not confirmed by Y-DNA testing yet. This surname is common only in Albania and Macedonia. As far as I know they are Orthodox and Muslim so should be found among Macedonians as well.

    In addition, from reading the porelko site concerning YP4278, some of the families seem to have some distant relation to Macedonia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    Yeah, I imagine there will be.

    Do you have his values?

    No I do not match the Serbs or Bulgarian. I am 11/37 markers differentiated with them. I likely form my own branch for now. But I am hoping someone in Macedonia will match me eventually because I know we migrated heavily into Macedonia in the past and present. I am interested in Shatku (Satku in Macedonia) from Debar as they seem to be potentially YP4278, although not confirmed by Y-DNA testing yet. This surname is common only in Albania and Macedonia. As far as I know they are Orthodox and Muslim so should be found among Macedonians as well.

    In addition, from reading the porelko site concerning YP4278, some of the families seem to have some distant relation to Macedonia.
    The Shatku from Debar (Dibra e Madhe) have tested via 23andme and are actually R-L1029. They could possibly be L1029>Y133383 like a number of other L1029+ Albanians from the nearby regions, though other L1029 clusters have also been found in Dibėr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    The Shatku from Debar (Dibra e Madhe) have tested via 23andme and are actually R-L1029. They could possibly be L1029>Y133383 like a number of other L1029+ Albanians from the nearby regions, though other L1029 clusters have also been found in Dibėr.
    I have a very close relation to Shatku on 23andme and they are CTS1211 and not R-L1029. I have asked the Rrenjet admins to test a Shatku if they can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    I have a very close relation to Shatku on 23andme and they are CTS1211 and not R-L1029. I have asked the Rrenjet admins to test a Shatku if they can find.
    I see, that's odd. I remember one being classified as L1029, one other was just classified as R-M512.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    I see, that's odd. I remember one being classified as L1029, one other was just classified as R-M512.
    There are also Sharku. The region seems to have multiple variations of these surnames - _a_ku

    These names may have been spread through religious means and they do not necessarily need to be related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdbr1234 View Post
    There are also Sharku. The region seems to have multiple variations of these surnames - _a_ku
    Would be best to test the Shatku themselves via YSEQ or FTDNA.

    There are quite a few in Tiranė as well as in the villages around Peshkopi, such as Fushė e Vogėl (Kurbegu), that trace their origins back to Debar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Would be best to test the Shatku themselves via YSEQ or FTDNA.

    There are quite a few in Tiranė as well as in the villages around Peshkopi, such as Grazhdan, that trace their origins back to Debar.
    In Golloborde they are Orthodox as per my father, and we seem to have married with them. He may be confusing the surnames though.

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