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Thread: European PCA G25: Bell-Beaker, Bronze & Iron Ages, with modern population

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    European PCA G25: Bell-Beaker, Bronze & Iron Ages, with modern population

    This PCA is made from the averages of each category.
    I find the evolution between bell-beaker or Bronze Age and modern times for certain countries (Iberia, France, England, Italia) very interesting ...

    g25modern&ancien-metaux.png

    Zoom to NW Europe:
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    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    Some of your labels are less than clear, I managed to guess most and got them confirmed by google but have absolutely no idea what RU&IR means ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Some of your labels are less than clear, I managed to guess most and got them confirmed by google but have absolutely no idea what RU&IR means ?
    Royaume-Uni (United Kingdom) + Ir (Ireland) I suppose.
    Last edited by jstephan; 06-21-2020 at 11:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstephan View Post
    Royaume-Uni (United Kingdom) + Ir (Ireland) I suppose.
    Thanks, never heard the UK called that before and Google had no idea either !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Thanks, never heard the UK called that before and Google had no idea either !!!
    No probs, we use Grande-Bretagne for Great-Britain and Royaume-Uni for United Kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Some of your labels are less than clear, I managed to guess most and got them confirmed by google but have absolutely no idea what RU&IR means ?
    Sorry! I sometimes mix French and English for the names of the countries. I'll be careful next time!

    I even used a Breton name for Brittany, and with a spelling error in addition!
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    Nice PCA.
    Can you plot members on it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Nice PCA.
    Can you plot members on it ?
    Yes it is! With scalled data.
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    Sorry! I sometimes mix French and English for the names of the countries. I'll be careful next time!

    I even used a Breton name for Brittany, and with a spelling error in addition!
    If you'd used an abbreviation for Pays de Galles I might have stood a chance : )

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