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    Genetic History of the Italians

    Italy is a fascinating country for population geneticists and historians alike. As Metternich said in 1847 "Italy is only a geographical expression". The peninsula was unified by Piedmont two decades later, but Metternich's remark still largely holds true today. There isn't one Italian people, but a multitude of ethnic and cultural groups, often with an independent history of their own going back to ancient times.

    Countless people have settled in Italy since the Neolithic: Near Eastern farmers, Italic tribes, Ligurians, Etruscans, Phoenicians, Greeks, Celts, Goths, Lombards, Byzantines, Franks, Normans, Swabians, Arabs, Berbers, Albanians, Austrians and more. All have left their genetic print on the populations of the regions where they settled. This page attempts to identify their genetic markers through the use of Y-chromosomal haplogroups, which are passed on nearly unaltered from father to son.
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    Metternich was correct, in Italy there are lot of different etnicity and culture. From north and south there are huge cultural differences. I come from Trentino Alto Adige SŘdtirol, last region that in 1919 became italian territory, and here we are a mix italian-german, still about culture uses and still about genetics.

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    A great response

    Hello D.M.,
    I am very glad that a resident Italian has responded. I am 3rd generation Italian in the U.S. tracing my ancestor,s path. My paternal sides come from the Naples/ Compania area whereas the Maternal sides from Calabria. What has me very perplexed is the migration path of my ancient DNA ancestors (aDNA) since I am testing in the ht35 group of Albanias, etc. (the general Marker is BY250). Specifically, I am testing R1b-Y23493 which originates in the region of modern Poland.
    Have you traced your aDNA migration path? Regards, Lancer
    R1b-Z2103 Panel
    Z2103 C+
    CTS9219 A+
    BY251 A+
    Y5587 A-
    Y19469 G+
    Y15982 A-
    BY20218 G-
    Y23493 G+
    Y19971 G-
    A20329 G-
    Y28788 C-

    Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Y23493
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    I'm FT40236 (under S7461> BY5026 clade). According to what can be observed on the snp tracker website and other sources, it is a clade that spread to Italy coming from central Europe / northern Balkans in the late bronze age / early iron age, same time of arrival of the Italic tribes in Italy.

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    Can you post that SNP tracker site, or is it the same one I referenced, Mygrations?

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    Italians and BY-250/251

    Italians and Northern European Haplogroup R-BY250? What's up here?
    Mystery Solved!

    Well.....the Celtic Peoples of the British Isle where very formidable warriors and blended in with Roman culture and peoples swapping technologies and cultures.

    "Cisalpine Gaul (Latin: Gallia Cisalpina, also called Gallia Citerior or Gallia Togata) was the part of Italy inhabited by Celts during the 4th and 3rd centuries BC. After its conquest by the Roman Republic in the 220s BC it was considered geographically part of Roman Italy but remained administratively separated.
    Where is cisalpine gaul?
    Cisalpine Gaul. Map of Cisalpine Gaul, extending from Veneto on the Adriatic, to Pisa and Nice on the Mediterranean, to Lake Geneva in the west, and the Alps in the North, from Abraham Ortelius' Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, the first modern atlas of the world."

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    How much slavic admixture do modern Italians have, if any? Depending on region, etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenetiks View Post
    How much slavic admixture do modern Italians have, if any? Depending on region, etc..
    I did a fast model with Medieval Italian, Slavic + Germanic:

    As you can see populations close to North East score some Slavic in this one.

    But keep in mind Iron age Balkan was very similar to Italian.
    Also Italian-like people were found in medieval Hungary.

    Target: Italian_Piedmont
    Distance: 1.2714% / 0.01271368
    89.8 ITA_Rome_MA
    10.2 DEU_MA
    Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley
    Distance: 2.5584% / 0.02558408
    61.8 ITA_Rome_MA
    38.2 DEU_MA
    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 2.3996% / 0.02399594
    82.6 ITA_Rome_MA
    17.4 DEU_MA
    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 2.4714% / 0.02471423
    85.8 ITA_Rome_MA
    14.2 DEU_MA
    Target: Italian_Northeast
    Distance: 1.5880% / 0.01588027
    67.8 ITA_Rome_MA
    18.8 Slavic
    13.4 DEU_MA
    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 1.9099% / 0.01909927
    78.2 ITA_Rome_MA
    12.2 DEU_MA
    9.6 Slavic
    Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    Distance: 2.1708% / 0.02170830
    73.2 ITA_Rome_MA
    22.0 DEU_MA
    4.8 Slavic
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.6700% / 0.01669968 | R3P
    53.6 Goth_Kowalewko = Germanic
    39.2 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    7.2 RUS_Khaptsagai_IA = Steppe + Siberian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer View Post
    Can you post that SNP tracker site, or is it the same one I referenced, Mygrations?
    http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashi View Post
    It says it was updated on 2/27/21 and there's SNPs that were on yfull before then that are still not on the tracker.

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