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    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to Anthrogenica, just made my account today actually, and I'm interested in seeing if there is anyone with my Y-DNA haplogroup, I-S1954, with ties to Northern Ireland, particularly County Donegal. I'm assuming my great great great.... grandfather is originally from somewhere in Scotland, since my surname is Scottish. Does anyone know what the origins are for my specific haplogroup? If it's worth anything, I took a test with 23andme and got these results in January with the new chip. Also, are there any good y-dna specific tests I could take to perhaps further refine/specify my haplogroup assignment? I've read that the big genetic testing companies don't go as deep as Y-Chromosome specific tests go.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertank529 View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to Anthrogenica, just made my account today actually, and I'm interested in seeing if there is anyone with my Y-DNA haplogroup, I-S1954, with ties to Northern Ireland, particularly County Donegal. I'm assuming my great great great.... grandfather is originally from somewhere in Scotland, since my surname is Scottish. Does anyone know what the origins are for my specific haplogroup? If it's worth anything, I took a test with 23andme and got these results in January with the new chip. Also, are there any good y-dna specific tests I could take to perhaps further refine/specify my haplogroup assignment? I've read that the big genetic testing companies don't go as deep as Y-Chromosome specific tests go.

    Thanks!
    Welcome to the forum tigertank529. I'm British and S1954+ and there are several others with the marker here. It's also known as YSC0000261 and probably arose about 3,400 years ago, I'd personally guess somewhere in Scandinavia. As such it's reached our islands through various groups over the ages, some of which will have included the Angles in Scotland. I'd recommend testing at Family Tree DNA or similar to find out what downstream markers you have and see what matches may be out there.
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,250 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertank529 View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to Anthrogenica, just made my account today actually, and I'm interested in seeing if there is anyone with my Y-DNA haplogroup, I-S1954, with ties to Northern Ireland, particularly County Donegal. I'm assuming my great great great.... grandfather is originally from somewhere in Scotland, since my surname is Scottish. Does anyone know what the origins are for my specific haplogroup? If it's worth anything, I took a test with 23andme and got these results in January with the new chip. Also, are there any good y-dna specific tests I could take to perhaps further refine/specify my haplogroup assignment? I've read that the big genetic testing companies don't go as deep as Y-Chromosome specific tests go.

    Thanks!
    Welcome to the forum!

    This thread might be of interest: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5612-I-S1954

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertank529 View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to Anthrogenica, just made my account today actually, and I'm interested in seeing if there is anyone with my Y-DNA haplogroup, I-S1954, with ties to Northern Ireland, particularly County Donegal. I'm assuming my great great great.... grandfather is originally from somewhere in Scotland, since my surname is Scottish. Does anyone know what the origins are for my specific haplogroup? If it's worth anything, I took a test with 23andme and got these results in January with the new chip. Also, are there any good y-dna specific tests I could take to perhaps further refine/specify my haplogroup assignment? I've read that the big genetic testing companies don't go as deep as Y-Chromosome specific tests go.

    Thanks!
    Hi there and welcome. My paternal second cousin also tested with 23andMe and this is his reported haplotype, so it would be mine as well. I've only tested on FamilyTreeDNA and I, like the other respondents here, are downstream from I-Z140. Personally, my clade trail goes down from I-Z140>Z141>Z2535(S1953)>YSC0000261(S1954)>L338>A194 4>A2398>...

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    I would doubt I-S1954 is your terminal SNP. I also test I-S1954 with 23 and me but after the Big Y my placement is much deeper downstream of there.

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    I just realized on my haplogroup breakdown that I used to have an asterisk next to I-S1954. But now it's gone. I think this means that I test negative for all variants downstream of I-S1954 and that I'm on my own branch? Or at least was? Can anyone confirm what the asterisk means?
    Last edited by tigertank529; 12-28-2020 at 06:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertank529 View Post
    I just realized on my haplogroup breakdown that I used to have an asterisk next to I-S1954. But now it's gone. I think this means that I test negative for all variants downstream of I-S1954 and that I'm on my own branch? Or at least was? Can anyone confirm what the asterisk means?
    Yep, the asterisk means not belonging to any of the known downstream subclades on the current tree. However, if the only test that you've had is a 23andme test, that chip doesn't test any further than YSC0000261/S1954, so if that's the case your test would not have any positive or negative results for an SNP more recent than that. If you've had another, more specific Y-DNA test since then, the results from that one will tell you for sure. But if it's only 23andme to date, I-S1954 is as far as you can go and it's unlikely that you're negative for all downstream variants. So far, everyone in the database who is S1954+ is also L338+ (one step downstream and not tested on 23andme's chip) when tested to that level for example.
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    That makes more sense. I have one friend that tested with 23andme recently and received I-F2642. The wiki on M253 shows that this placement is adjacent (kind of like cousins?) to L338. Since 23andme did not put me down that path, I'm assuming that I'm L338+. The wiki seems to be not as in depth and I couldn't find I-F2642 on yfull. My friend's paternal line comes from eastern Germany, although I'm not sure if that haplogroup placement is more common on the continent than in the isles or elsewhere.

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    I-F2642 on YFull is I-S2169, https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S2169/

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    Thank you. Sometimes it gets confusing with different names and some SNPs not being directly shown.
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