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    IL - L22

    Does anyone the origins of Il-L22 and where it settled in europe

    My Paternal side grandmother's father has this dna marker


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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Does anyone the origins of Il-L22 and where it settled in europe

    My Paternal side grandmother's father has this dna marker
    L22 looks very Scandinavian and corresponds with I1 guru Ken Nordtvedt's "Ultra-Norse". It originated about 3,800 ybp according to YFull (so pretty early) and if you look at testers' flags there you'll see plenty of Swedish. It's been found in ancient remains, and while I can't remember where offhand, I don't think there have been any surprises. Our own deadly77's ancient I1 samples map should help you with that. It will have been carried by the various Germanic groups who entered Italy in the Early Medieval period, and other arrivals will also have brought it there since.
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Closest matches: Sweden; TMRCA 1,300 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    L22 looks very Scandinavian and corresponds with I1 guru Ken Nordtvedt's "Ultra-Norse". It originated about 3,800 ybp according to YFull (so pretty early) and if you look at testers' flags there you'll see plenty of Swedish. It's been found in ancient remains, and while I can't remember where offhand, I don't think there have been any surprises. Our own deadly77's ancient I1 samples map should help you with that. It will have been carried by the various Germanic groups who entered Italy in the Early Medieval period, and other arrivals will also have brought it there since.
    Thanks

    I will chat with my second cousin who carries that marker .....................his surname is very very old , it is part of the 26 surnames that founded Venice in 452AD ( first recorded surnames )

    Maybe could be Ostrogoth as they seem the first "germanic" people in North-east italy

    I will check your link

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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    It's also present quite a bit in the west balkans under the P109 branch, especially Montenegro. Which may or may not have any close connection with your relatives. The P109 in the Balkans might've come with the Normans/Vikings and your cousin's ancestor might've been part of some different earlier tribes and migrations or invasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    It's also present quite a bit in the west balkans under the P109 branch, especially Montenegro. Which may or may not have any close connection with your relatives. The P109 in the Balkans might've come with the Normans/Vikings and your cousin's ancestor might've been part of some different earlier tribes and migrations or invasions.
    Maybe

    but they are from Torcello, which is an island in the venetian lagoon , older than Venice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcello ..................their COA from 1347 states that



    crown with 3 golden bones


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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    My Y-DNA is I-L22. My great-grandfather, to my knowledge, was a German. Both, his father and paternal grandfather, (my great-great and great-great-great grandfathers) were also born in West Germany, West of the Rhine river, relatively close to the Dutch border, about 30 minutes by car. Their last name hints towards Dutch origins. According to AncestryDNA I'm 2% Swedish (1.5% Scandinavian on 23andme) but I consider this noise, although I have been told that phenotypically I resemble a Scandinavian.
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    I have this subclade but tested negative for P109. How did it get to Finland? Was it here already through Battle-Axe (Kiukainen?) or did it traverse through Baltic Bronze/Iron age? There's a lot of Saami I1, is this of the same origin?

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    My Maternal Grandfather may have been, 'I' P109. On '23 & Me' I have a DNA male relative with the same unusual surname as my Grandfather, as a fourth cousin,, his Y DNA is I P109, ( I1a1b1a1 )which is a step down from L22, I believe.

    Looking on the SNP Tracker it seems to have been around Denmark,at least from around the Bronze age.
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