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Thread: which Jewish Groups closes to original israelites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    From What I a know about Saudi Culture (having lived there 15 years) Saudis are very strict in marrying outside tribes. Saudis are a very tribal society who dont exactly mix very easily unless some financial gain is there. The Tribes of the Hejaz are the most strictest in the whole country, even many Saudis from Najd (Riyadh Capital area) or other bigger cities have a hard time interacting with them, let alone marrying them.
    Yes, it would certainly be interesting to test the tribes who consider themselves to been ethnically Jewish and see if there is any noticeable difference from the Arabs. The Yemeni Jews are pretty mixed though and I would imagine that tribes that converted to Islam would be at least as mixed as them.

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    I think the Samaritans are probably your closest bet, how do they compare to the other populations around them genetically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso29 View Post
    I think the Samaritans are probably your closest bet, how do they compare to the other populations around them genetically?
    The Samaritans are a mix of the original Israelites plus a foreign population of Arabians + Kutim Assyrians, with more Arabian than Kutim admixture. Samaritan can be modeled as about 90% Abel Beth Maacah Ancient Israelite and 10% Arabian, but that is only because there were more Arabians than Kutim brought into Samaria in my opinion. You are probably right about them being the closest, but I would wait for more Israelite samples.

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    I think this overfitting table can show some basic patterns for Levantine/Eastern Jews:

    screenshot-vahaduo.github.io-2020.07.04-15_40_28.png

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    Whereas the Tunisian and Libyan Jews need something else for good fit , can one guess which population will reduce the fitness to around 2.


    screenshot-vahaduo.github.io-2020.07.04-15_50_01.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Distance to: DewslothMom_scaled
    0.02564413 Levant_LBN_MA
    0.02599229 Levant_LBN_Roman
    0.02749937 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    0.02909796 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    0.03124718 Levant_Beirut_ERoman
    0.03158394 SYR_Ebla_EMBA
    0.03358374 TUR_Arslantepe_LC
    0.03586001 TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
    0.03707480 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    0.03769609 Levant_Abel_IA


    ^^ My maternal grandfather's Y-line MDKA is from 10 miles NE of Tel Abel Beth Maacah

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel-beth-maachah
    ^^ And his only (Y67 STR) match at FTDNA has a MDKA from Ramallah.
    So that's a probable shared ancestor in the last ~16 generations.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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