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    who were Neolithic Iranians?

    Who exactly were Neolithic Iranians? I haven't seen to much information on them. Were they the ancestors of many people in the Middle East and Even Indian Subcontinent today? How much of their dna is there in lets say Arabs and Indians?

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    Iran N is a mix of ANE(ancient North eurasian) and Dzudzuana. It is also veryb close with CHG(Caucasian Hunter Gatheners). We got 2 Neolithic Iran sites. One in Ganj Dareh and another one in Wezmeh. Iran N can be found pretty much in the majority of Middle eastern populations and to Meditteranid Groups like Greeks, South Italians, Cypriots, Maltese etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Iran N is a mix of ANE(ancient North eurasian) and Dzudzuana. It is also veryb close with CHG(Caucasian Hunter Gatheners). We got 2 Neolithic Iran sites. One in Ganj Dareh and another one in Wezmeh. Iran N can be found pretty much in the majority of Middle eastern populations and to Meditteranid Groups like Greeks, South Italians, Cypriots, Maltese etc.
    Is that Iran N the same found in Indus Valley civilization? I heard the amount of Iran N dna in Indus valley folks is as high as 60-80%, I am not sure how much of their dna is in modern South Asians
    but I am assuming it is still high since most modern South Asians descend from Indus valley folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    Is that Iran N the same found in Indus Valley civilization? I heard the amount of Iran N dna in Indus valley folks is as high as 60-80%, I am not sure how much of their dna is in modern South Asians
    but I am assuming it is still high since most modern South Asians descend from Indus valley folks.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326
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    Iran neolithic effectively refers to Zagros neolithic samples such as Ganj Dareh, Wezmeh and Tepe Abdul Hosein. It is found in Middle and Near Easterners but it tends to be a minority. It isn't just a mix of ANE and Dzudzuana since it has more basal Eurasian than both. I think that it is more than just a 2-way mix.

    More common in the Near East than in Saudis and more common in Iranians than Near Easterners.

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    I'm sure Wezmeh differs from Ganj Dareh. Wezmeh seems to take precedence in modern Iranians far as I know, opposed to Ganj Dareh and its association with South Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    I'm sure Wezmeh differs from Ganj Dareh. Wezmeh seems to take precedence in modern Iranians far as I know, opposed to Ganj Dareh and its association with South Asians.
    They are both pretty much the same.Wezmeh has a Levantine shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    They are both pretty much the same.Wezmeh has a Levantine shift.
    Well that Levantine shift is what differentiates them obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Well that Levantine shift is what differentiates them obviously.
    they are both almost identical
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Well that Levantine shift is what differentiates them obviously.
    It is Limited to almost none.The are not big diffrences.
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