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Thread: The case for E-M123* (without E-M34 coming out of Israel, Specifically)

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    I see Yfull made their monthly update but did not fix the new sample. They are labeling it now as basal to E-Y134096(E-BY36857) while in fact, this sample is downstream called E-Y134111 - also no TMRCA is updated as the new SNP is not registered.

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    History of Judaism (as we know it today) started ~3.5 kya, period of Proto-Semitic language is ~5.5 kya. All noted subclades are pre-Jewishand post-Proto-Semitic.

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    There is no news about Sudanese sample, let us wait.

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    Live-version of E-Y134096:
    https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/E-Y134096/
    Arabian sample remained as Y134096*, ages of nodes are re-estimated.

    Balkan downstream branch (Y134099) previously had 24 private SNPs, but now it has 22 SNPs only. It seems, age will be little bit corrected ~4000 ybp -> ~3700 ybp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Live-version of E-Y134096:
    https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/E-Y134096/
    Arabian sample remained as Y134096*, ages of nodes are re-estimated.

    Balkan downstream branch (Y134099) previously had 24 private SNPs, but now it has 22 SNPs only. It seems, age will be little bit corrected ~4000 ybp -> ~3700 ybp.
    Just as expected, Yfull added the new Y134111 snp and it is positioned between me and the French person. This is exactly as FTDNA already discovered last month:

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    As discussed previously, this situation removes the possibility of a Neolithic migration to Europe. It seems that we are dealing with Late Bronze age events. The bad thing is that the TMRCA's are still too early for a good historical connection (meaning the period between 1700 to 1350 B.C.).
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    Probably, it was in Late Bronze Age collapse period (Hekla 3 eruption) or even later (Iron Age).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Probably, it was in Late Bronze Age collapse period (Hekla 3 eruption) or even later (Iron Age).
    Farroukh, does that mean that all the "late Neolithic" TMRCA we saw so far on Yfull are actually events that happened in the Middle East? (for the EU branch)

    Also, do you happen to know in respect to the Sudanese sample, from where exactly in the Middle East were those Arab migrants from 400 years ago?

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    events that happened in the Middle East? (for the EU branch)
    "Middle East" is too wide term. Let us locate and fix it all in Phoenician locations and timeline.

    Sudanese sample, from where exactly in the Middle East were those Arab migrants from 400 years ago?
    They trace it up to Hashimi tribe of Arabia.

    Keeping in mind the correction of dates, I am inclined to the scenario of Phoenician-Hellenistic ties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    "Middle East" is too wide term. Let us locate and fix it all in Phoenician locations and timeline.


    They trace it up to Hashimi tribe of Arabia.

    Keeping in mind the correction of dates, I am inclined to the scenario of Phoenician-Hellenistic ties.
    E is not tied to the Phoenician empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentica277282 View Post
    E is not tied to the Phoenician empire
    What is it in your opinion? And what else could have brought this in Europe, especially Western Europe? You can see the full list of countries here.

    Considering we have 5 samples from Sardinia + various other islands in the Med-sea + Tunis, I think it should be them, or at least this is my theory. Also, the big chunk of the concentration is in Iberia which seems to have the most ties with them. We can't be 100% sure but based on TMRCA and historical logic I don't have other option.

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