The case for E-M123* (without E-M34 coming out of Israel, Specifically)

[capsian]

E is not tied to the Phoenician empire

E-M123 is related with Phoenician
of course Phoenician have high J1 and J2a

[capsian]

E is not tied to the Phoenician empire

E-L19 is belong a amazigh
E-V22 and E-V12 Egyptian
E-V32 Cushites
E-L618 Thracians
this about E-M35

[Gentica277282]

What is it in your opinion? And what else could have brought this in Europe, especially Western Europe? You can see the full list of countries here.

Considering we have 5 samples from Sardinia + various other islands in the Med-sea + Tunis, I think it should be them, or at least this is my theory. Also, the big chunk of the concentration is in Iberia which seems to have the most ties with them. We can't be 100% sure but based on TMRCA and historical logic I don't have other option.

The TMRCA doesn't support the theory, do we have any ancient Phoenician samples underneath E

[Gentica277282]

E-L19 is belong a amazigh
E-V22 and E-V12 Egyptian
E-V32 Cushites
E-L618 Thracians
this about E-M35

cousin all we need to do is look at North Africa where the Phoenicians operated, what we have is rare J2a subclades, I have no doubt all Phoenicians were underneath J haplogroup and the majority belonged to J2a

[Velislav]

The TMRCA doesn't support the theory, do we have any ancient Phoenician samples underneath E

This type of E (E-m123*) is less than 0.5% in modern populations where is present. I think this is the reason why it would never show up in ancient remains. So if not Phoenicians what else can migrate to Europe in the Late bronze age? This is something that I just don't know, that's why I am asking.

[drobbah]

E-L19 is belong a amazigh
E-V22 and E-V12 Egyptian
E-V32 Cushites
E-L618 Thracians
this about E-M35

E-V22 isn’t an ethnic Egyptian haplogroup.Horners carry it and even one of the South Cushitic Pastoral_N samples in Kenya carried it

[drobbah]

E-M123 is related with Phoenician
of course Phoenician have high J1 and J2a

Wasn’t there Israeli MLBA samples that were E-M123? Considering those MLBA Israelis were Canaanites I wouldn’t be surprised if their Phonecians cousins carried it and possibly spread it as well

[Farroukh]

All tested Europeans of this subclade origin only from coastal countries (Balkans, France, Portugal) which fitswith Phoenician sea routes

[Gentica277282]

All tested Europeans of this subclade origin only from coastal countries (Balkans, France, Portugal) which fitswith Phoenician sea routes

Your reasoning is amazing and your map I've never seen anything like it you've convinced me that Phoenicians were carrying E.

[Aben Aboo]

All tested Europeans of this subclade origin only from coastal countries (Balkans, France, Portugal) which fitswith Phoenician sea routes

Based on your map that doesn't fit for Balkans and France, they fit more with Greeks sea routes because of their colonies.