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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    There is also some trading connection with Elamite outposts which will explain the language similarities with Dravidian and Elamite. There is also extra Iran_N like elements present in farming castes from Gujarat to South. There is some extra Middle east like admix present in many isolated places all over South Asia probably from that era when the Middle east trading posts in elam had some connections with IVC and other Indian cities.
    There was major trading between IVC and the arab gulf region aswell. Many IVC trading sites have been found in UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    There was major trading between IVC and the arab gulf region aswell. Many IVC trading sites have been found in UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait
    A genetic analysis of the ancient DNA of Mesopotamian skeletons was made on the excavated remains of four individuals from ancient tombs in Tell Ashara (ancient Terqa) and Tell Masaikh (near Terqa, also known as ancient Kar-Assurnasirpal), both in the middle Euphrates valley in the east of modern Syria.[114] The two oldest skeletons were dated to 2,650-2,450 BC and 2,200-1,900 BC respectively, while the two younger skeletons were dated to circa 500 AD.[114] All the studied individuals carried mtDNA haplotypes corresponding to the M4b1, M49 and/or M61 haplogroups, which are believed to have arisen in the area of the Indian subcontinent during the Upper Paleolithic, and are absent in people living today in Syria.[114] These haplogroups are still present in people inhabiting today's Tibet, Himalayas (Ladakh), India and Pakistan, and are restricted today to the South, East and Southeast Asia regions

    Based on these genetic evidence other than seals, grains and artifacts the connection looks real big most probably some thing like a major metropolis like for the IVC people
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus%...amia_relations
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    A genetic analysis of the ancient DNA of Mesopotamian skeletons was made on the excavated remains of four individuals from ancient tombs in Tell Ashara (ancient Terqa) and Tell Masaikh (near Terqa, also known as ancient Kar-Assurnasirpal), both in the middle Euphrates valley in the east of modern Syria.[114] The two oldest skeletons were dated to 2,650-2,450 BC and 2,200-1,900 BC respectively, while the two younger skeletons were dated to circa 500 AD.[114] All the studied individuals carried mtDNA haplotypes corresponding to the M4b1, M49 and/or M61 haplogroups, which are believed to have arisen in the area of the Indian subcontinent during the Upper Paleolithic, and are absent in people living today in Syria.[114] These haplogroups are still present in people inhabiting today's Tibet, Himalayas (Ladakh), India and Pakistan, and are restricted today to the South, East and Southeast Asia regions

    Based on these genetic evidence other than seals, grains and artifacts the connection looks real big most probably some thing like a major metropolis like for the IVC people
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus%...amia_relations
    Do these skeletons belong to Mesopotamian themselves or Traders? Have other Mesopotamian skeletons been tested, do they show south asian influence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    Do these skeletons belong to Mesopotamian themselves or Traders? Have other Mesopotamian skeletons been tested, do they show south asian influence?
    Yes, there are reported M mtDNA among Iraqis. The Iraqi samples on GED show up in many South Indians. I checked 30 of those Iraqi samples on GED against my kit and found out that I match on 200SNP/1cM setting I match close to 300cM on most of them which is pretty close. The SNPs in the match show up big but the match segment size are big (around 5cM). This probably indicates that ancient times this relation was pretty strong.

    When I checked on the MyTa they are saying in Early Bronze age I match 60+% from Amorites & Hittites & Caananites in that area. The late Mesopotamia was ruled by Amorite kingdoms which had some colonies in Elamite kingdom too. These people probably had a thriving trade with IVC and some human movement too which we haven't yet deciphered. Comparing against Jordan EBA samples will tell you if there is some of that admixture or not.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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