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    Kelteminar Y-DNA

    A thread for predictions of Kelteminar culture Y-DNA. My guesses below.

    R1a
    R1b
    Q
    J1
    J2a (possibly)

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    There won't be any R1a in Kelteminar, because R1a is missing from Central Asia until the Andronovo expansion.

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    Y-DNA Q(1a), R2*-M479 and potentially R1b-Z2103 (Afanasievo had material contacts with the culture) are my guesses.

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    What it was the culture's autosomal? Baikal like?
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    What it was the culture's autosomal? Baikal like?
    Iirc, some mixture of West Siberian Hunter Gatherer-like and Iran Neolithic, so most likely Y markers are Q, R2, J(1 or 2) etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    Iirc, some mixture of West Siberian Hunter Gatherer-like and Iran Neolithic, so most likely Y markers are Q, R2, J(1 or 2) etc.
    Thank you.Personally i smell a lot of Q,R2...yDNA associated with ANE related groups.
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Wouldn’t N1c also probably be present considering the connection to the Pit Comb Ware Culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonoftheSea View Post
    Wouldn’t N1c also probably be present considering the connection to the Pit Comb Ware Culture?
    I think that's not outside the realm of possibility, but I'm not aware of what the Comb Ceramic association is based on, and I think typically Q predominates over N1 in Paleosiberian related groups (for example Botai), and Kelteminar appears to have ancestry from such a Paleosiberian population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    Iirc, some mixture of West Siberian Hunter Gatherer-like and Iran Neolithic, so most likely Y markers are Q, R2, J(1 or 2) etc.
    Apparently some of the Kelteminar ancestors are supposed to have migrated from further south around Hissar.

    Where is the information from that Kelteminar is a mix of West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers and Iran Neolithic like ancestries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    There won't be any R1a in Kelteminar, because R1a is missing from Central Asia until the Andronovo expansion.
    What are your guesses for Kelteminar Y-DNA?

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