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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Apparently some of the Kelteminar ancestors are supposed to have migrated from further south around Hissar.

    Where is the information from that Kelteminar is a mix of West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers and Iran Neolithic like ancestries?
    A bunch of Central Eurasian HG's dating up to 2000 B.C. showed non-trace amounts of Iran_N-related admixture:



    Kelteminar is sandwiched in-between the implicated HG's from Narasimhan et al. 2019.

    So, Psynome's right - I'd forgotten about that autosomal signal. Some divergent branches of Y-DNA J (potentially also L) may also exist among them, as a result.

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    Yeah, you’re probably right. I believe the connection to Pit Comb is mostly based on pottery and lifestyle, so there could have been very little genetic connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Apparently some of the Kelteminar ancestors are supposed to have migrated from further south around Hissar.

    Where is the information from that Kelteminar is a mix of West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers and Iran Neolithic like ancestries?
    I don't recall that we have any actual Kelteminar samples currently, but we have samples from close in space and time from Narasimhan 2019. For example, Sarazm_EN.

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...at7487/tab-pdf

    Importantly, is is a mix of Iran Chalcolithic and West Siberian like ancestry, not Iran Neolithic. I misremembered. Anatolia Neolithic ancestry is there. The Iran Neolithic component dominates, and so markers like J and R2 are likely to be most common. This profile is currently the closest guess we have to Kelteminar we have to my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    What are your guesses for Kelteminar Y-DNA?
    Some kind of Q, R1b and maybe R2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    I think that's not outside the realm of possibility, but I'm not aware of what the Comb Ceramic association is based on, and I think typically Q predominates over N1 in Paleosiberian related groups (for example Botai), and Kelteminar appears to have ancestry from such a Paleosiberian population.
    Which Botai sample has turned out Q? I thought only ydna N and R1b have been found from Botai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faravid View Post
    Which Botai sample has turned out Q? I thought only ydna N and R1b have been found from Botai.
    You're completely right, I misremembered. I assume this is why Generalissimo included R1b in his prediction. Both N and R1b are plausible candidates to show up in Kelteminar based on proximity to Botai in this case.

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    It certainly will be interesting to see since Kelteminar is located right next door to both WSHG and Iran N type populations.

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