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    Kelteminar Y-DNA

    A thread for predictions of Kelteminar culture Y-DNA. My guesses below.

    R1a
    R1b
    Q
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    J2a (possibly)

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    There won't be any R1a in Kelteminar, because R1a is missing from Central Asia until the Andronovo expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    There won't be any R1a in Kelteminar, because R1a is missing from Central Asia until the Andronovo expansion.
    What are your guesses for Kelteminar Y-DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    What are your guesses for Kelteminar Y-DNA?
    Some kind of Q, R1b and maybe R2.

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    Y-DNA Q(1a), R2*-M479 and potentially R1b-Z2103 (Afanasievo had material contacts with the culture) are my guesses.

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    What it was the culture's autosomal? Baikal like?
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    What it was the culture's autosomal? Baikal like?
    Iirc, some mixture of West Siberian Hunter Gatherer-like and Iran Neolithic, so most likely Y markers are Q, R2, J(1 or 2) etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    Iirc, some mixture of West Siberian Hunter Gatherer-like and Iran Neolithic, so most likely Y markers are Q, R2, J(1 or 2) etc.
    Thank you.Personally i smell a lot of Q,R2...yDNA associated with ANE related groups.
    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578004
    40.2 TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
    32.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
    11.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2


    Target: Ioannis_scaled
    Distance: 2.8082% / 0.02808208
    67.2 Greek_Trabzon
    24.2 Samaritan
    7.4 Georgian_Imer
    1.2 Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    Iirc, some mixture of West Siberian Hunter Gatherer-like and Iran Neolithic, so most likely Y markers are Q, R2, J(1 or 2) etc.
    Apparently some of the Kelteminar ancestors are supposed to have migrated from further south around Hissar.

    Where is the information from that Kelteminar is a mix of West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers and Iran Neolithic like ancestries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Apparently some of the Kelteminar ancestors are supposed to have migrated from further south around Hissar.

    Where is the information from that Kelteminar is a mix of West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers and Iran Neolithic like ancestries?
    A bunch of Central Eurasian HG's dating up to 2000 B.C. showed non-trace amounts of Iran_N-related admixture:



    Kelteminar is sandwiched in-between the implicated HG's from Narasimhan et al. 2019.

    So, Psynome's right - I'd forgotten about that autosomal signal. Some divergent branches of Y-DNA J (potentially also L) may also exist among them, as a result.

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