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    ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) Updates

    This may sound like a strange and dumb question but this is something that I am curious about. With all of the updates in the world of DNA studies and papers it makes me wonder what has all changed as new knowledge is gained.

    Is the ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) autosomal genetic ancestral component still considered a true real type of genetic ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    This may sound like a strange and dumb question but this is something that I am curious about. With all of the updates in the world of DNA studies and papers it makes me wonder what has all changed as new knowledge is gained.

    Is the ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) autosomal genetic ancestral component still considered a true real type of genetic ancestry?
    No doubt it is a major ancestry in South Asians, Europeans, some other Eurasians, and Americans. The only issue I had with the early Willerslev/Raghavan paper was that it assumed MA1 to be unadmixed which was clearly not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    This may sound like a strange and dumb question but this is something that I am curious about. With all of the updates in the world of DNA studies and papers it makes me wonder what has all changed as new knowledge is gained.

    Is the ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) autosomal genetic ancestral component still considered a true real type of genetic ancestry?
    See the Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6 calculator spreadsheet: https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php for ANE levels in various groups.

    My results (Ashkenazi Jew):

    ANE 18.70
    ASE 0.20
    East Asian 0.30
    W. Euro Hunter/Gatherer 23.21
    Natufian 53.54
    Sub-Saharan 4.05

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    how much ANE in South Asians?

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    Pretty high (at least among North S. Asians) according to the spreadsheet. Around 40%.
    23andMe:
    99.6% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.3% Broadly European
    0.1% Unassigned

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 39.85
    West_Med 20.41
    North_Atlantic 12.84
    West_Asian 9.90
    Baltic 7.64
    Red_Sea 5.56
    East_Asian 1.25
    Northeast_African 1.04

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    how much ANE in South Asians?
    There is huge variation depending on where the person is from. North West South Asians are usually the highest ANE in comparison to rest of subcontinent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    See the Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6 calculator spreadsheet: https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php for ANE levels in various groups.

    My results (Ashkenazi Jew):

    ANE 18.70
    ASE 0.20
    East Asian 0.30
    W. Euro Hunter/Gatherer 23.21
    Natufian 53.54
    Sub-Saharan 4.05
    That calculator is garbage...I don't want to get into a long discussion or argument about it though to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    That calculator is garbage...I don't want to get into a long discussion or argument about it though to be honest.
    You are right it isn't very good but if I'm not mistaken it's the only one with ANE.
    23andMe:
    99.6% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.3% Broadly European
    0.1% Unassigned

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 39.85
    West_Med 20.41
    North_Atlantic 12.84
    West_Asian 9.90
    Baltic 7.64
    Red_Sea 5.56
    East_Asian 1.25
    Northeast_African 1.04

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    I was playing around with qpgraph a bit and came across an interesting idea.
    So every time I put a WHG in the Goyet-levels come out super realistic (like 6% for Bichon or 8% for mesolithic Great Britains), or completely wonky (like 35% for Iron_Gates_HG).
    Some publications have suggested elevated East Eurasian affinity in a subset of WHG. Goyet, having East Eurasian itself is likely becoming bloated in those WHG to fill the void.
    Just for a sneaking suspicion I tried adding a proto-ANE (Yana-like) mixture to Iron_Gates_HG and that brought the Goyet-levels down to much more accurate levels (6% I think it was?)
    I wonder if we'll find some Yana-like individuals in Europe at some point. Maybe the 25-30k year old samples from the BachoKiro paper if they manage to get autosomal?
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