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    Here's how sees the human settlement Max Planck Institute
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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirTaraskin View Post
    Here's how sees the human settlement Max Planck Institute
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    The Yamnaya culture, also known as the Yamnaya Horizon,[2] Yamna culture, Pit Grave culture or Ochre Grave culture, was a late Copper Age to early Bronze Age archaeological culture of the region between the Southern Bug, Dniester, and Ural rivers (the Pontic steppe), dating to 3300–2600 BC.[
    The Fatyanovo–Balanovo culture was a Chalcolithic and early Bronze Age culture which flourished in the forests of Russia from c. 2900 to 2050 BC
    I would have never thought they model Fatyanovo using samples related to elite kurgan burials Io444; since they are in flat graves by the hundreds.

    https://archive.archaeology.org/0203...fs/cudgel.html

    Yamnaya Samara Russia Kutuluk I, Kutuluk River, Samara [I0444/SVP 58] M 3300-2700 BC R1b1a2a2 (Z2103) CTS1078/Z2103+, L150+, M415+ H6a1b Haak 2015; Mathieson 2015;

    And N-Z1936 would one day be neighbors with KMS-75, small world. Learn something new everyday.


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    I still remember a Monday morning in 2014 when I first told another human being that Corded Ware was 70% Yamnaya. I still can't believe that result, computed with the crappy outgroup set available at the time has held up so remarkably well as Fig. 4 from the new paper shows
    https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/...848712/photo/1
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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirTaraskin View Post
    Here's how sees the human settlement Max Planck Institute
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    Excuse me, do you think that the Choinovtinskaya and Lebyazhskaya cultures are continuation of Eastern Hunter-Gatherers in some regard, perhaps the same way the Bolshoy Oleny Ostrov people continued the Lovozero ware?
    http://www.ural.ru/spec/ency/encyclo...-kult-tip.html
    https://sites.google.com/site/civili...azskaa-kultura

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norfern-Ostrobothnian View Post
    Excuse me, do you think that the Choinovtinskaya and Lebyazhskaya cultures are continuation of Eastern Hunter-Gatherers in some regard, perhaps the same way the Bolshoy Oleny Ostrov people continued the Lovozero ware?
    http://www.ural.ru/spec/ency/encyclo...-kult-tip.html
    https://sites.google.com/site/civili...azskaa-kultura
    I understand what you're implying. On the North Ural route of penetration of Finno-Ugric tribes into the European part. In Russia, this concept is also very popular. As for the cultures you mentioned, the Choinovtinskaya culture is Neolithic. Indirectly it is associated with the Kama Neolithic culture and the culture of PWC l'yalovo. The Lebyazhskaya culture is a late Bronze Age, it is considered one of the layers on which the Ananyino culture originated. There is a predisposition that this is a proto-Komi-Perm culture. It should be borne in mind that among the modern Komi and Perm subclade N1a2-Y3195 is very common. In Finland, by the way, this group also has a subclades L665. So this, the northern line, is probably N1a2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Also is it possible to upload the Fatyanovo samples on Gedmatch (inacurrate but netherless interesting) and make Global25 coordinates for them? Are the files already in the correct format or do they need to be converted for Global25?
    Are the coordinates out yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    The genotype data should be here.

    https://evolbio.ut.ee/

    But it's not yet. Someone should email Lahti Saag and ask what's happening with that.
    I did it. I'll inform on this thread if I get an answer.
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    They are starting to upload the new samples on Yfull. Bol003 is already there . PES001 (EHG sample),HAL001,HAN002,HAN004,NAU001,NAU002,NIK008A B have a similar or better coverage (especially PES001 wit 5x) so we should see some of them soon on Yfull too would very much help in correctly calibrating the age and TMRCA of Z93. Hopefully some new (western) Fatyanovo branches under Z93 are found too with shared snps between the samples.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/

    BOL003 Bolshnevo 3 Tver, RUS Fatyanovo 2571–2345 Male XY H41a R1a2 1.13 (Avg. Cov)

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    How much of the total variation of Eastern-Hunter Gatherers PES001 captures? As per positions of the genome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Also is it possible to upload the Fatyanovo samples on Gedmatch (inacurrate but netherless interesting) and make Global25 coordinates for them? Are the files already in the correct format or do they need to be converted for Global25?
    I've uploaded some of the samples as 23andMe raw files HERE. I'm not sure what format is better suited to be converted into G25 coordinates, but if uploading them as bed/ped files would help, let me know, and I will get on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    I did it. I'll inform on this thread if I get an answer.
    It seems they uploaded the data. Hope we see global25 coordinates and more analyses of the samples soon.

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