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Thread: Genetic ancestry changes in Stone to Bronze Age transition in the East European plain

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    The sampled Fatyanovo samples were quite homogeneous, Sintashta-like and lacked significant HG/Volosovo admix.

    The exact timing of and processes involved in the emergence of the Fatyanovo Culture in European
    Russia and the local processes following it have also remained unclear. Until recently, the Fatyanovo
    Culture was thought to have developed later than other CWC groups and over a longer period of
    time17,20. However, radiocarbon dates published last year21 and the 25 new dates presented here point
    towards a fast process, similar in time to CWC people reaching the Eastern Baltic and southern
    Fennoscandia60–62. Importantly, the archaeological cultures are clearly differentiated between the areas.
    What is more, it has been suggested that the Fatyanovo Culture people admixed with the local Volosovo
    Culture HG after their arrival in European Russia6,17,36. Our results do not support this as they do not
    reveal more HG ancestry in the Fatyanovo people compared to other CWC groups or any visible change
    in ancestry proportions during the period covered by our samples (2,900–2,050 BC)[

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    The sampled Fatyanovo samples were quite homogeneous, Sintashta-like and lacked significant HG/Volosovo admix.
    Are there Volosovo samples in the paper or on G25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Yes the second is the calibrated i look again on it. Is the calibrated generally assumed to be more accurate? Sorry if it is a bad question
    Calibrated should have cal before it but it's easy to copy and miss it. Calibration is pegged to a reliable dating method, most commonly dendrochronology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Are there Volosovo samples in the paper or on G25?
    I think the dna files were not uploaded yet. But they also stated in the study that Fatyanovo was closest to late CWC and different from Yamnaya. It would be interesting to look closer at their mtdna and to seach for links with Sintashta, Andronovo and modern day Indo-Iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    The silly idea of an "R1a migration out of the Indian Subcontinent" has just been dealt another big blow thanks to aDNA.
    The mental gymnastics needed to explain these findings away (Corded Ware-like individuals carrying Z93 5-4kya) in favour of that proposition will be nothing short of Olympian.
    Since when has evidence ever shaken a true believer? The reactions from that crowd have a pretty predictable flow.
    1) Sign up for an anthrogenica account
    2) Post their great original opinion telling us about how it actually magically supports their OIT fantasy
    3) Become confrontational when no one is receptive to their ideas
    4) Devolve the thread into a storm of belligerence peppered with just a dash of ad hominem
    5) Get banned here
    6) Complain to everyone who will listen about the oppression and censorship of the evil "steppist agenda"
    7) Probably just grow bitter?

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    This was posted in the comment section of Eurogenes. Like i suspected there are a lot of mtdna links between Fatyanovo and Sintashta/Srubnaya/Andronovo.

    Samuel Andrews said...

    NIK008A, Fatyanovo, 2834–2472 BC, mtDNA H5b
    SVP9, Srubnaya, 1850-1200 BCE, mtDNA H5b

    BOL001, Fatyanovo, 2829–2460 BC, mtDNA H1b
    I4783, Andronovo, 1610-1454 calBC, mtDNA H1b

    HAN004, Fatyanovo, 2835–2471, mtDNA H6a1a
    VOR003, Fatyanovo, 2573–2466, mtDNA H6a1a
    I1065, Sintashta, 2050-1650 BC, mtDNA H6a1a
    I1064, Sintashta, 1879-1694 calBC, mtDNA H6a1a
    SVP6, Srubnaya, 1913-1629 calBC, mtDNA H6a1a

    VOR005, Fatyanovo, 2840–2343 BC, mtDNA K2a5b
    I7480, Sintashta, 2050-1650 BCE, mtDNA K2a5b

    BOL002, Fatyanovo, 2468–2211 BC, mtDNA J1c1b1a
    NIK005, Fatyanovo, 2881–2581 BC, mtDNA J1c1b1a
    VOD001, Fatyanovo, 2570–2299 BC, mtDNA J1c1b1a
    RISE391, Sintashta, 2298-2045 calBC, mtDNA J1c1b1a
    I7670, SIntashta, 2200-1800 BCE, J1c1b1a

    HAL001, Fatyanovo, 2832–2473 BC, N1a1a1a1
    TIM002, Fatyanovo, ---, N1a1a1a1
    RISE391, Sintashta, 2120-1887 BC, N1a1a1a1
    I4265, Andronovo, 1600-1500 BC, N1a1a1a1
    I4255, Andronovo, 1200-1000 BC, N1a1a1a1

    MOT001, Fatyanovo, ---, U2e1b
    SKO001, Fatyanovo, ---, U2e1b
    I4780, Andronovo, 1754-1642 calBC, U2e1b

    IVA001, Fatyanovo, 2864–2496 BC, U4a1b
    RISE505, Andronovo, 1746-1626 calBC, U4a1b

    NAU002, Fatyanovo, 2836–2469 BC, U5b2a1a2
    I1082, Sintashta, 2050-1650 BC, U5b2a1a2
    I1089, Sintashta, 2050-1650 BC, U5b2a1a2
    I4776, ANdronovo, 1767-1658 calBC, U5b2a1a2
    I3976, Andronovo, 1100-1000 BC, U5b2a1a2.

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    Calibration is needed in radiocarbon dating to both convert the radiocarbon years over to calendar years and to account for variables including environmental fluctuation in 14-C.
    So, it is more accurate than the "uncalibrated" age range (I think these aDNA papers produce these as 95% CI's?).
    That'd put the Fatyanovo samples around the Middle Bronze Age, which makes them around six centuries older than Sintashta-Petrovka.

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    Since when has evidence ever shaken a true believer? The reactions from that crowd have a pretty predictable flow.
    A concise summary, unfortunately.

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    Why Fatyanovo have more Levant ancestry than Baltic or Central European CWC?

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