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    Y-DNA I1 in Iberia

    How common are I1 lineages in Iberia and how did they arrived there? Are they more common in Spain or Portugal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    Iberia_I1.png
    Source: Eupedia

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    Seem to be slightly more common in West Iberia than elsewhere. Possible Germanic influence perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Agrippa View Post
    Seem to be slightly more common in West Iberia than elsewhere. Possible Germanic influence perhaps?
    Probably Germanic influence to some degree, likely a mixture of Migration Period and Medieval Period (Flemish, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Probably Germanic influence to some degree, likely a mixture of Migration Period and Medieval Period (Flemish, etc).
    The only way to know for sure is through Big Y or similar tests, right? To see the matches and lineages. I ask because one of my lines is from Azores and this lineage has been proven to carry I1 haplogroup through the test of a relative. Since Azores received some Flemish colonists I'm not sure if the source is more recent Flemish (400-500 years) or very old Germanic (1500 years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Agrippa View Post
    The only way to know for sure is through Big Y or similar tests, right? To see the matches and lineages. I ask because one of my lines is from Azores and this lineage has been proven to carry I1 haplogroup through the test of a relative. Since Azores received some Flemish colonists I'm not sure if the source is more recent Flemish (400-500 years) or very old Germanic (1500 years).
    Here is an interesting read in regards to I1 in the Azores, at least the I-Z140 subclade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Agrippa View Post
    Seem to be slightly more common in West Iberia than elsewhere. Possible Germanic influence perhaps?
    Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia. It is not just W. Iberia.

    BAL0051, Late Upper Paleolithic(Azilian?), 11,384–9,263 Cal BCE has YDNA I1. It is probably mostly from Viking/Germanic invasion since I think that is why most southern european I1s are in southern europe, but maybe some of it is local. This sample is from NE Spain.

    Looks like mostly I2 and some unidentified I before 2000 BC and R after 2000 BC. Anyway, I'm I2c2 so I don't know much about I1.
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    I agree it correlates well with Germanic settling during the migration period, West and East Iberia seem to have both higher Germanic/Scandinavian-related haplogroups and genetic drift. I'd say it's hardly a coincidence even if correlation does not imply causation, although in the case of East Iberia it could also be related with their stronger connections with France, including during the early periods of the Reconquista and the Marca Hispanica after the 800s created by Charlemagne.
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    Numbers are from FTDNA Y-tree:
    Spain - total 2193, I1 - 108, 4,9%
    Portugal - total 819, I1 - 41, 5%

    I guess bug cities are overrepresented here, but that's the stats of Spanish/Portuguese FTDNA clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemv View Post
    Numbers are from FTDNA Y-tree:
    Spain - total 2193, I1 - 108, 4,9%
    Portugal - total 819, I1 - 41, 5%

    I guess bug cities are overrepresented here, but that's the stats of Spanish/Portuguese FTDNA clients.
    Makes more sense. It would be weird if Iberia had less I1 than Macedonia, as the Eupedia figures suggests.

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