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    DIY Ancient Scaled Calc for Italians and Western Jews

    Probably most suitable for Italians and Jews. Not too sure about Iberians and Greeks. Might be worth removing the 'Egyptian' if the result looks odd and you are Jewish/Southern Italian.

    Berber,-0.066796211,0.134530842,-0.002222947,-0.078863,0.030337526,-0.036740211,-0.033680684,0.011052211,0.080969789,0.034481,0.009 512579,-0.007769368,0.023410211,-0.019448316,0.021572421,-0.016559684,0.000569632,-0.028804842,-0.056365632,0.012032158,-0.020812,-0.052871368,0.031778368,-0.004325211,0.007556684
    Levantine,0.085673808,0.147642462,-0.053841269,-0.09126,-0.012771538,-0.031503885,-0.004980192,-0.009168308,0.010792577,0.0112425,0.005390231,-0.006801731,0.014860385,-0.000142923,-0.009792808,0.007557577,0.003008962,-0.000521346,0.001198846,0.001183269,0.001209385,0. 005450231,-0.002915269,-0.001455231,-0.002196923
    Medieval_Slav,0.13175025,0.118817,0.0906035,0.0935 085,0.050394,0.03939325,0.014277,0.017711,0.001840 75,-0.036994,-0.00807875,-0.016485,0.02359975,0.02835025,0.00010175,0.01127, 0.0089965,-0.002217,0.00132,-0.00247,0.003806,-0.003524,0.00717925,-0.00247025,9.00E-05
    Medieval_Germanic,0.129947833,0.1311725,0.065619,0 .061962167,0.039289333,0.020777333,0.008186,0.0085 765,0.000750167,-0.006256833,-0.003680833,0.004046333,-0.0106045,-0.006078333,0.027325,-0.001082667,-0.012495,0.002428333,0.002178667,0.006878167,0.003 265,0.008428833,-0.001972,0.0151225,0.00004
    Early_Iberian,0.125106478,0.149900826,0.058338957, 0.00391813,0.063476652,-0.003055652,-0.002370522,0.002558478,0.033319565,0.05032087,-0.00398187,0.009930348,-0.023494957,-0.01565913,0.006154652,0.006790957,0.007772043,0.0 01239304,0.001284304,0.000478522,0.007806783,0.002 338739,-0.009645478,-0.01416113,-0.000197957
    Italic,0.127608556,0.150298556,0.035658889,-0.012776444,0.043119111,-0.006383444,0.001357778,0.000769222,0.020793333,0. 038006222,0.00083,0.012622111,-0.019375556,-0.007401111,-0.001085667,-0.001193222,0.003071222,0.003209444,0.007542,-0.003432222,-0.000138667,0.005028444,-0.002903222,-0.002155556,-0.000146444
    Silk_Road_Chinese,0.0156507,-0.438709,-0.046763,-0.0609662,0.1201762,0.0622622,0.00047,-0.0073845,-0.0189698,-0.013121,0.0109208,0.0020232,-0.000446,-0.006193,0.0012895,0.0045742,0.0061282,-0.0009502,-0.0043368,-0.011662,0.0121972,0.0090268,0.0149438,0.002892,0. 007095
    SSA,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
    East-African,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean,0.108064971,0.150059382,-0.023614353,-0.057,0.004018735,-0.020416441,-0.000407794,-0.005246353,-0.003789676,0.020453353,0.003534382,0.002975324,-0.006562853,0.000283294,-0.010047382,-0.004238912,0.002830029,0.001322794,0.003197882,-0.004833206,-0.002470029,0.003124118,-0.001221588,0.000155971,0.000274735
    Egyptian,0.046477667,0.150298333,-0.047642833,-0.1088515,-0.001077167,-0.047086,-0.015040667,-0.004153833,0.043188667,0.005193667,0.010555167,-0.014661833,0.029434833,-0.001881,0.000588,-0.003889333,-0.009126667,-0.000570167,-0.004189833,0.00865,0.005823167,0.002226,-0.001746,0.004659,-0.0030335
    Distance to: Seabass_Mum
    0.03382870 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.06096132 Levantine
    0.09899082 Italic
    0.09922020 Egyptian
    0.13419637 Early_Iberian
    0.17530212 Medieval_Germanic
    0.20676759 Berber
    0.22633545 Medieval_Slav
    0.62055873 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.64096771 East-African
    0.73921667 SSA

    Target: Seabass_Mum
    Distance: 2.0088% / 0.02008760
    57.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    23.4 Levantine
    10.8 Early_Iberian
    8.2 Berber

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    Distance to: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    0.04989085 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.07986814 Italic
    0.09312003 Levantine
    0.11639810 Early_Iberian
    0.12480475 Egyptian
    0.13797240 Medieval_Germanic
    0.18978162 Medieval_Slav
    0.21753271 Berber
    0.59960271 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.64234058 East-African
    0.74369143 SSA

    With Egyptian:


    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.3737% / 0.02373712
    58.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    18.4 Medieval_Germanic
    6.6 Berber
    5.4 Egyptian
    5.2 Medieval_Slav
    4.4 Levantine
    1.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Without Egyptian:

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.3813% / 0.02381270
    54.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    19.8 Medieval_Germanic
    12.2 Levantine
    7.6 Berber
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    1.2 Silk_Road_Chinese
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.4552% / 0.02455222
    34.4 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    19.2 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    13.6 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    9.2 DEU_MA
    8.4 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
    7.8 EGY_Hellenistic
    6.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.4 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

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    It seems to work well for my family. Adding a small penalty cleans it up a bit.

    Target: GS
    Distance: 2.2905% / 0.02290505 | ADC: 0.25x
    85.4 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    8.8 Medieval_Slav
    4.4 Italic
    1.4 Egyptian

    Target: GS_Dad
    Distance: 2.7768% / 0.02776783 | ADC: 0.25x
    74.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    10.4 Medieval_Slav
    8.2 Italic
    6.0 Levantine
    0.8 Egyptian

    Target: YiaYia
    Distance: 2.8012% / 0.02801215 | ADC: 0.25x
    78.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    9.4 Early_Iberian
    7.4 Medieval_Slav
    4.6 Levantine

    Target: GS
    Distance: 2.2387% / 0.02238725
    78.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    10.4 Medieval_Slav
    5.8 Italic
    5.6 Egyptian

    Target: GS_Dad
    Distance: 2.6739% / 0.02673914
    47.4 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    24.6 Levantine
    15.4 Italic
    12.6 Medieval_Slav

    Target: YiaYia
    Distance: 2.7010% / 0.02701018
    56.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    20.2 Levantine
    13.4 Early_Iberian
    9.8 Medieval_Slav


    Distance to: GS
    0.03364774 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.08052990 Italic
    0.08365816 Levantine
    0.12051267 Early_Iberian
    0.12408772 Egyptian
    0.15361945 Medieval_Germanic
    0.20014231 Medieval_Slav
    0.23147836 Berber
    0.61440487 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.65664341 East-African
    0.75643588 SSA

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    58.2 HEM
    21.6 Levantine
    8.8 Berber
    5.0 Medieval_Germanic
    4.8 Italic
    1.0 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.6 Medieval_Slav

    ADC 0.25
    73.7 HEM
    17.3 Levantine
    8.5 Berber
    0.5 Silk_Road_Chinese

    ADC 0.5
    89.8 HEM
    5.3 Levantine
    4.9 Berber

    ADC 1
    100.0 HEM

    No HEM:

    62.0 Levantine
    20.9 Italic
    8.2 Medieval_Germanic
    8.0 Berber
    0.9 Silk_Road_Chinese

    ADC 0.25
    63.1 Levantine
    22.7 Italic
    7.2 Berber
    6.3 Medieval_Germanic
    0.7 Silk_Road_Chinese

    ADC 0.5
    68.3 Levantine
    31.7 Italic

    ADC 1
    85.2 Levantine
    14.8 Italic

    ADC 2
    93.0 Levantine
    7.0 Italic
    23andMe 5.9:
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    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Mother 23andMe 5.9:
    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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    What did you use for "Hellenized_East-Mediterranean" and "Levantine"?

    Target: passenger_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.7993% / 0.01799312
    41.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    32.4 Levantine
    11.8 Medieval_Slav
    7.6 Berber
    6.6 Italic

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    Distance: 1.4298%
    50.0 Italic
    44.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    3.8 Egyptian
    2.2 Medieval_Germanic

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    What did you use for "Hellenized_East-Mediterranean" and "Levantine"?
    For HEM, only the Italian Roman Imperial samples, excluding outliers that were potentially fully Levantine, Mesopotamian, North-African and of Italic descent. The HEM average for sure harbours a fraction of Semitic-like influence.

    For LEV, a select Italian Roman Imperial samples and majority of the Ashkelon_IA2, Beirut_IAIII, Beirut_IAII, Roman Era samples and one Hellenistic sample and Ashkelon_IA1 sample.

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    Distance: 2.6540% / 0.02653957
    58.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    28.6 Italic
    12.8 Medieval_Slav

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    Distance: 2.4425% / 0.02442534
    39.4 Medieval_Germanic
    35.8 Italic
    11.0 Medieval_Slav
    10.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    2.0 Egyptian
    1.2 East-African


    without the Egyptian
    Distance: 2.4461% / 0.02446128
    38.8 Medieval_Germanic
    35.6 Italic
    13.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    11.0 Medieval_Slav
    1.4 East-African

    Basically the same
    Last edited by digital_noise; 07-11-2020 at 12:31 AM.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Gradient Descent with Adam optimizer:

    Me:

    Distance: 2.3914486544908127%

    Medieval_Germanic: 39.9%
    Early_Iberian: 38.9%
    Medieval_Slav: 16.2%
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean: 4.6%
    Silk_Road_Chinese: 0.4%

    Dad:

    Distance: 3.6530117836638993%

    Early_Iberian: 35.1%
    Medieval_Germanic: 25.6%
    Medieval_Slav: 25.4%
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean: 12.1%
    Silk_Road_Chinese: 1.8%

    Mom:

    Distance: 2.9925938999777033%

    Early_Iberian: 29.6%
    Medieval_Germanic: 27.9%
    Medieval_Slav: 24.6%
    Italic: 16.8%
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean: 1.1%

    Wife:

    Distance: 2.7025789161641605%

    Medieval_Germanic: 46.8%
    Early_Iberian: 25.1%
    Medieval_Slav: 19.4%
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean: 4.7%
    Italic: 3.8%

    Father in law:

    Distance: 3.4412226514304596%

    Medieval_Germanic: 68.7%
    Medieval_Slav: 17.3%
    Early_Iberian: 12.7%
    SSA: 1.3%

    Vahaduo:

    Target: me
    Distance: 1.7459% / 0.01745948
    45.4 Medieval_Germanic
    36.2 Italic
    13.2 Early_Iberian
    3.8 Medieval_Slav
    1.0 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.4 Berber

    Target: dad
    Distance: 3.3257% / 0.03325664
    39.0 Medieval_Germanic
    23.2 Early_Iberian
    15.2 Italic
    12.6 Medieval_Slav
    7.8 Levantine
    2.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: mom
    Distance: 1.9582% / 0.01958212
    48.2 Medieval_Germanic
    37.6 Italic
    9.2 Medieval_Slav
    5.0 Early_Iberian

    Target: wife
    Distance: 1.4712% / 0.01471243
    65.8 Medieval_Germanic
    17.6 Italic
    10.4 Early_Iberian
    3.0 Egyptian
    2.8 Levantine
    0.4 Medieval_Slav

    Target: fil
    Distance: 2.4929% / 0.02492933
    80.0 Medieval_Germanic
    14.4 Italic
    3.4 Berber
    2.0 Egyptian
    0.2 SSA
    Last edited by randwulf; 07-10-2020 at 03:26 AM.

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    Last Post: 02-27-2015, 04:47 PM

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